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They need to just add the option for no OS.
I agree. I HATE the fact that I have to pay microsoft some money to buy a PC laptop, for example. I want to put my own OS on it.

I've said before that I think every computer should be sold without an OS. And I still believe it. The hardware and the software should come as a separate package. This would probably have saved m$ from shame during vista's release.

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Microsoft pay companies to put Works on computers too.
Works is somewhat useful... If the included cost is around $20, I'm sure most people wouldn't mind.

Wait, that would be the companies paying m$ to have works on the computers, not m$ paying the companies, right?
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From what I have seen working at Geek Squad and 'optimizing' 100's of computers, Dells have by far the LEAST amount of bloatware of any manufacturer. Take a look at HP's now THATS bloatware. On average I would say HP's have at least 5 times the amount that Dells have. Dells at bestbuy ONLY come with Google Toolbar, Trend Micro, Google Desktop.

Dell even has made deals to tottally eliminate all the bloatware at a users request: Proof


As for the Indian Cyber Suppot Team......cant we just get along?
Edited by cometman - 12/22/08 at 11:45am
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I don't trust company who consider themselves to have a "social responsibility" to the environment, poverty, or healthcare. The only thing a company should be interested in is maximizing profits for it's shareholders.
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Things come shipped broken sometimes or go bad after some use. Electronics are not infallible. I've had my share of faulty devices over the past 15 years.
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I don't trust company who consider themselves to have a "social responsibility" to the environment, poverty, or healthcare. The only thing a company should be interested in is maximizing profits for it's shareholders.
Wow, because by doing so they are working in part to help maintain and ensure the longevity of their customer base, while at the same time getting free positive publicity and advertising? I pray you never become an exec.
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Wow, because by doing so they are working in part to help maintain and ensure the longevity of their customer base, while at the same time getting free positive publicity and advertising? I pray you never become an exec.
"I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good."

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From what I have seen working at Geek Squad and 'optimizing' 100's of computers, Dells have by far the LEAST amount of bloatware of any manufacturer. Take a look at HP's now THATS bloatware. On average I would say HP's have at least 5 times the amount that Dells have. Dells at bestbuy ONLY come with Google Toolbar, Trend Micro, Google Desktop.

Dell even has made deals to tottally eliminate all the bloatware at a users request: Proof


As for the Indian Cyber Suppot Team......cant we just get along?
Indian call centers deserve no sympathy. They are just simply garbage.
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I don't trust company who consider themselves to have a "social responsibility" to the environment, poverty, or healthcare. The only thing a company should be interested in is maximizing profits for it's shareholders.
No publicly traded company ever does things for purely altruistic reasons. Such things as you mentioned are done to boost public image, which in turn might increase profits. Just because they do them doesn't mean their being nice about it.

And not all companies are public. Shareholders might not even enter into it. If a "Mom n' Pop" operation wants to be environmentally sound or contribute to the community and still make a living, who's to tell them they shouldn't?

More to the point, though; I don't see why Dell is so bothered about this. Sure, Apple might not be as 'green' as they claim to be, but who really is?
Edited by dharmaBum - 12/22/08 at 12:45pm
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From what I have seen working at Geek Squad and 'optimizing' 100's of computers, Dells have by far the LEAST amount of bloatware of any manufacturer. Take a look at HP's now THATS bloatware. On average I would say HP's have at least 5 times the amount that Dells have. Dells at bestbuy ONLY come with Google Toolbar, Trend Micro, Google Desktop.

Dell even has made deals to tottally eliminate all the bloatware at a users request: Proof


As for the Indian Cyber Suppot Team......cant we just get along?
Actually I have never once gotten an Indian support technician with Dell; usually I get a nice southern girl.

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I don't trust company who consider themselves to have a "social responsibility" to the environment, poverty, or healthcare. The only thing a company should be interested in is maximizing profits for it's shareholders.
I was hoping you would chime in.

I couldn't agree more, spending on all these useless initiatives is just wasting shareholders money, and unfairly taxing them. It makes me sick.

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No publicly traded company ever does things for purely altruistic reasons. Such things as you mentioned are done to boost public image, which in turn might increase profits. Just because they do them doesn't mean their being nice about it.

And not all companies are public. Shareholders might not even enter into it. If a "Mom n' Pop" operation wants to be environmentally sound or contribute to the community and still make a living, who's to tell them they shouldn't?

More to the point, though; I don't see why Dell is so bothered about this. Sure, Apple might not be as 'green' as they claim to be, but who really is?
Many companies are pressured into making poor decisions by uneducated, or very vocal groups.

Take Macdonald's for example, they moved to a paper wrapper that was worse for the environment, cost more, and did the job worse than the foam one, just because greenpeace decided that since foam is a petroleum product, it is bad.

Also, Apple has been by far the worst polluter of the PC brands for many years, something many of their die-hard followers don't realize. (no cracking any Apple people here, just the ones that think Jobs is god).
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"I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good."

-Adam Smith
Christ, you libertarians make absolute sure that every word that comes out of your mouths is straight out of the libertarian handbook!
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