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Alright, I've been using a piece of junk computer for too long now and it's time for something new, so I thought, why not build it myself? I have no experience with building computers (other than fiddling around with mine ), but that's what I come here for .

Just to make things clear, I'm just considering my options for this pc, I will probably start buying components somewhere around mid-2009, because I simply have no money to buy anything now.

After a couple of days of looking around and trying several setups, this is what I came up with:

(Most updated setup here: http://www.overclock.net/intel-build...ml#post5185650.)

- CPU: Intel Core i7 920 - $300

- Motherboard: Intel DX58SO - $260

- RAM: OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) - $185

- HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 - 1TB - $110

- GPU: 2x HIS Radeon HD 4850 512MB - 2x $160 = $320

- Case: Antec Twelve Hundred - $160

- PSU: Ultra X3 ULT40064 1000 Watt (Modular) - $200

- DVD Drive: Samsung Black SATA DVD Burner With LightScribe - $30

- Card Reader / Fan Controller: AeroCool FP-01 Card Reader with Flip-up LCD Screen - $50

All that adds up to about $1615.



What I would like to know (except for recommendations for other hardware, possible incompatibilities (not great at figuring that out )) is this:

1. I live in Belgium, would it be possible to buy all components in the US from sites like Newegg, ship them here, and assemble them with the American PSU and just swap out the power cable and use one that fits Belgian sockets?

2. I chose the Antec 1200 case, which is a full tower, and the Ultra x3 1000 Watt PSU, which is Modular. On a couple of sites I've read that this PSU comes with cables that are not long enough for a full tower case, can anyone confirm or deny this?

3. Would I need a better cooling solution for the CPU if I'm planning on overclocking it? If so, would Cooler Master's V8 - $70 be a good choice (and fit inside the case XD)?

4. The Antec 1200 case has a lot of fans, with the option to add even more, what I don't know about fans is how they are powered, my current computer has no special fans except for the one on the CPU, Graphics Card and PSU, so I can't really check. Do they require connectors on the Mother Board, or do they lead straight to the PSU? If they lead to the PSU, which connector do they use? Molex?

5. I'm using a VERY old 13.4'' CRT monitor from the stone age right now, which needs to be replaced. I'm looking for a good quality 20"-22" screen that won't cost me an arm and a leg, any suggestions are welcome .

6. If there is any space left on the Mother Board, I'd like to have one of the following (if possible, though very unlikely, even both):
- A good Sound Card
- A Network card that would pick up Wireless Internet Connections
Any suggestions for these are also very welcome .



Please keep in mind that I'll be running Vista on this computer, so Vista support is a must.


Anyway, that's all for now, feel free to suggest other components, or answer my questions, and sorry if they're noobish, I just don't have any experience with building computers.


Thanks in advance guys!
Edited by ps-gunkie - 12/27/08 at 11:46am
post #2 of 18
I'm not sure about the case or power supply (shipping for the case would be over $100), and I don't know about the cords for the PSU. You should buy those over there.

My PC P&C unit cables were long enough. If they turn out not to be, you can always buy extendors.

Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme. That V8 is worthless.

They are powered by molex connectors (you can daisy-chain them to power cables from the PSU).

Samsung 2253BW.

No idea.
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post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by ps-gunkie View Post

What I would like to know (except for recommendations for other hardware, possible incompatibilities (not great at figuring that out )) is this:

1. I live in Belgium, would it be possible to buy all components in the US from sites like Newegg, ship them here, and assemble them with the American PSU and just swap out the power cable and use one that fits Belgian sockets?

2. I chose the Antec 1200 case, which is a full tower, and the Ultra x3 1000 Watt PSU, which is Modular. On a couple of sites I've read that this PSU comes with cables that are not long enough for a full tower case, can anyone confirm or deny this?

3. Would I need a better cooling solution for the CPU if I'm planning on overclocking it? If so, would Cooler Master's V8 - $70 be a good choice (and fit inside the case XD)?

4. The Antec 1200 case has a lot of fans, with the option to add even more, what I don't know about fans is how they are powered, my current computer has no special fans except for the one on the CPU, Graphics Card and PSU, so I can't really check. Do they require connectors on the Mother Board, or do they lead straight to the PSU? If they lead to the PSU, which connector do they use? Molex?

5. I'm using a VERY old 13.4'' CRT monitor from the stone age right now, which needs to be replaced. I'm looking for a good quality 20"-22" screen that won't cost me an arm and a leg, any suggestions are welcome .

6. If there is any space left on the Mother Board, I'd like to have one of the following (if possible, though very unlikely, even both):
- A good Sound Card
- A Network card that would pick up Wireless Internet Connections
Any suggestions for these are also very welcome .



Please keep in mind that I'll be running Vista on this computer, so Vista support is a must.


Anyway, that's all for now, feel free to suggest other components, or answer my questions, and sorry if they're noobish, I just don't have any experience with building computers.


Thanks in advance guys!
Overall your build looks fine and as for the questions...


1. I'm not sure about that one maybe someone else can shed some light.

2. Antec 1200 is a large case, but I was able to fit it just fine with my modular cables from my Corsair 1000w the Ultra X3 1000w should be just fine as well I've heard good things from that power supply.

3. You will need a good cooling solution the CM V8 is a good CPU cooler, but if you are going to be spending that amount of money you might as well buy a TRUE, which is the best cooler on the market.

4. The case fans are powered by molex and I just routed them all to the back of my Antec 1200 and plugged them into the according cable for my PSU.

5. A good Samsung 22" should do you nicely

6. The sound card I would go for is one here and for a network card I'm not too sure on that one hopefully someone with more experience could help you with that.
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post #4 of 18
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@ low strife

Well I might be able to buy the case out here. The main problem with buying most of the stuff out here is that in this worthless country there's only one webshop that sells a semi-fair amount of components, and only has 1/4 of what I summed up in my first post. Something else that bothers me is that some of the drivers I need for the computer I have now are either only available in Dutch (yuck in an English OS), or they need you to fiddle with regional settings a lot to be able to install English drivers without killing your system.
The price is also an issue, if I buy things like that HDD out here, they ask $125 more than the price on Newegg or TigerDirect or anything similar.

@ Korben

Thanks for the info on the case with the PSU, I'd just hate it if the stuff didn't fit XD.


Also, thanks for the suggestions guys, I'll look into them .
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Does anyone have any suggestions for a better motherboard and graphics card(s)?
post #6 of 18
Quote:
- CPU: Intel Core i7 920 - $300

- Motherboard: Intel DX58SO - $260

- RAM: OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) - $185

- HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 - 1TB - $110

- GPU: 2x HIS Radeon HD 4850 512MB - 2x $160 = $320

- Case: Antec Twelve Hundred - $160

- PSU: Ultra X3 ULT40064 1000 Watt (Modular) - $200

- DVD Drive: Samsung Black SATA DVD Burner With LightScribe - $30

- Card Reader / Fan Controller: AeroCool FP-01 Card Reader with Flip-up LCD Screen - $50
I see so many flaws in this build. First off change the motherboard to the Asus P6T deluxe , second I'd go for some corsair XMS3 6GB Triple Channel (DDR3-1333) , third consider a Western Digital Black 1TB or a Seagate Barracuda 1TB (3A40AS) , fourth a 4850 X2 (Sapphire) is a better choice for a video card , fifth change the power supply to something more trusty or reliable possibly a Thermaltake 1000W , Corsair 1000W or PC Power and Cooling 1000W , sixth get a nice LG DVD Burner with 20x speeds and make sure it is sata. If you want a reliable and excellent sound card the following choices to mind: Asus Xonar D2X or the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude.
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Let's see...

1. The change of motherboard sounds ok, any specific reason why I'd pick the Asus board instead of the Intel one (reviews on both seem great, consumer reviews on Newegg talk highly about the Intel board and bad about the Asus one, with DOA boards and bad customer support)?

2. What makes the Corsair memory better than the OCZ memory (other than being $3 cheaper )?

3. I was unsure about the HDD, any of the ones you summed up sound fine, thanks .

4. That card sounds great, with that price I won't buy 2, but one of those should be better than 2 4850 in CrossFire anyway, right?

5. What's wrong with the Ultra X3 PSU? Every review I read about it speaks highly of it, no reliability problems :s.

6. The DVD Burner doesn't matter too much at this point, but thanks for the suggestion on getting an LG one .

7. The Asus Xonar looks great, thanks for the suggestion.


Sorry for all the questions, I'm pretty new to all this.
Edited by ps-gunkie - 12/27/08 at 3:31am
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if you're getting a 22" monitor then there's not much point buying multi GPU 'X2' cards, crossfire/SLi only really starts to scale well and make big differences once you get into the 24"(1920x1200)+ range of resolution, you'd probably get better bang for buck with one single GPU card such as a 4870 or an overclocked 55nm GTX260-216 for example...
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post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by 45nm View Post
I see so many flaws in this build. First off change the motherboard to the Asus P6T deluxe , second I'd go for some corsair XMS3 6GB Triple Channel (DDR3-1333) , third consider a Western Digital Black 1TB or a Seagate Barracuda 1TB (3A40AS) , fourth a 4850 X2 (Sapphire) is a better choice for a video card , fifth change the power supply to something more trusty or reliable possibly a Thermaltake 1000W , Corsair 1000W or PC Power and Cooling 1000W , sixth get a nice LG DVD Burner with 20x speeds and make sure it is sata. If you want a reliable and excellent sound card the following choices to mind: Asus Xonar D2X or the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude.
1. explain why the corsair, why not a G.skill set?
2. He doesnt need a 1kw PSU
3. The Ultra X3 is a extremely reliable and trusty PSU. It is one of the best out there.
4. I don't see any need to change the DVD drive. the Samsung is good.
5. He doesn't have to get the Asus P6T Deluxe the normal version is fine and will save money.
6.2x500GB in RAID0 will be better than any of those drives you suggested.

here is an alternate build for a $1600 budget

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115202 Corei7 920 $300
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231223 3x2GB G.skill $150
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131359 Asus P6T $250
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817702007 BFG800w $130
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152052 500GB x2 $110
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129043 Antec 1200 $160
GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102810 HD4870 x2 $400
DVD Burner: $30
CPU Cooler: http://www.directron.com/u120e.html TRUE120 $50

Total: $1580 before the $80 MIR
you would need to get a LGA1366 socket mounting thing for the TRUE.
Edited by kazakia - 12/27/08 at 4:09am
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Quote:
Let's see...

1. The change of motherboard sounds ok, any specific reason why I'd pick the Asus board instead of the Intel one (reviews on both seem great, consumer reviews on Newegg talk highly about the Intel board and bad about the Asus one, with DOA boards and bad customer support)?

2. What makes the Corsair memory better than the OCZ memory (other than being $3 cheaper )?

3. I was unsure about the HDD, any of the ones you summed up sound fine, thanks .

4. That card sounds great, with that price I won't buy 2, but one of those should be better than 2 4850 in CrossFire anyway, right?

5. What's wrong with the Ultra X3 PSU? Every review I read about it speaks highly of it, no reliability problems :s.

6. The DVD Burner doesn't matter too much at this point, but thanks for the suggestion on getting an LG one .

7. The Asus Xonar looks great, thanks for the suggestion.


Sorry for all the questions, I'm pretty new to all this.
Actually I am running the Asus Rampage II Extreme and other than some initial post problems the board is running flawless. The DX58SO is not a true enthusiast board and you must also keep in mind that it has 4 DIMM slot's and not 6 like on the P6T Deluxe. If you go to the P6T Deluxe you won't be disappointed at all , its a great motherboard. If you really want you can choose a Gigabyte X58 motherboard. The memory that Corsair makes is highly reliable and highly recommended. I have read of numerous problems of using OCZ Triple Channel memory on X58 motherboards. If you want you can consider G.Skill but in my opinion Corsair ranks above G.Skill. The Ultra products are made from the same company that owns Tigerdirect and besides those power supplies that I listed for you are excellent alternative's.


Quote:
1. explain why the corsair, why not a G.skill set?
2. He doesnt need a 1kw PSU
3. The Ultra X3 is a extremely reliable and trusty PSU. It is one of the best out there.
4. I don't see any need to change the DVD drive. the Samsung is good.
5. He doesn't have to get the Asus P6T Deluxe the normal version is fine and will save money.
6.2x500GB in RAID0 will be better than any of those drives you suggested.
He can get a Corsair 850W instead for the 4850 X2 and it will be futureproof for any crossfire or sli upgrades. If you want to save money of course you can suggest 2 500GB in RAID0.
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