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As one poster said the xigmatek will do you solid as far as keeping your cpu cool - direct pipe cooling wins.

"Future-proof" et-al is pretty overrated. You've got to remember that games will continue to be designed around your average or above-average rig - not average for these boards, average for "i've got a dell" PC users. They've gotten to the point they use 2 cores well but 4 cores can be overkill and might be for quite some time. Processors running as fast as 3.6 are hard to find on the market without overclocking, so running 2 cores at 4.0 will be lightning fast for a while to come.

By the time the future comes around you might find that having been proofed for it just means you've got low-end tech and no excuse to throw a cheap upgrade at your comp. Like having bought an sli rig and an 8800gt thinking you'd get a 2nd in the future only to find that gtx260's are < 200 bucks and will beat you out even if you buy a 2nd 8800gt.

One day your rig will be outdated. Don't worry about it, overclock it.
    
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As one poster said the xigmatek will do you solid as far as keeping your cpu cool - direct pipe cooling wins.

"Future-proof" et-al is pretty overrated. You've got to remember that games will continue to be designed around your average or above-average rig - not average for these boards, average for "i've got a dell" PC users. They've gotten to the point they use 2 cores well but 4 cores can be overkill and might be for quite some time. Processors running as fast as 3.6 are hard to find on the market without overclocking, so running 2 cores at 4.0 will be lightning fast for a while to come.

By the time the future comes around you might find that having been proofed for it just means you've got low-end tech and no excuse to throw a cheap upgrade at your comp. Like having bought an sli rig and an 8800gt thinking you'd get a 2nd in the future only to find that gtx260's are < 200 bucks and will beat you out even if you buy a 2nd 8800gt.

One day your rig will be outdated. Don't worry about it, overclock it.
very good point......was that a personal reference to the gtx260?
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i wuz jus checking out some benchmarks...
and on 3Dmark 06 the E8400 OC beat all the other processors. even the QX9770 extreme,Q6600, phenom 9600 black box
but the stock E8400 did slightly better than the Q6600...
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i wuz jus checking out some benchmarks...
and on 3Dmark 06 the E8400 OC beat all the other processors. even the QX9770 extreme,Q6600, phenom 9600 black box
but the stock E8400 did slightly better than the Q6600...
thats due to the fact the q6600 hit a wall at 3.6-3.8ghz......some can touch 4ghz but they are rare, we as the e8400 can hit 4 easy and 4.5 with a little extra juice (even i hit 4.5 ^^).
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so E8400 s the way to go?
are there any cheap cooling options. i'm not looking to touch 4 GHz. and how high can i go on the stock cooling?
so... there are't many softwares that full make use of quad core cpus. so what is intel thinking when they launch the i7?

what about the phenom X3? in comparison to the E8400?
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so E8400 s the way to go?
are there any cheap cooling options. i'm not looking to touch 4 GHz. and how high can i go on the stock cooling?
so... there are't many softwares that full make use of quad core cpus. so what is intel thinking when they launch the i7?

what about the phenom X3? in comparison to the E8400?
there is software, video editing is one of the ways that makes the most of the four cores. Its games that don't use all the cores.

On the stock cooling i would say depending on how good the chip is about 3.5ish, take a look at the ocz vendetta 2 they aren't that expensive and are good coolers.
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very good point......was that a personal reference to the gtx260?
hehe actually it was a reference to my friend in the office next to me. I told him about the deal on the 260 from newegg (expired, msi for 184.99 or i'd have gone with evga and had to do without my new soundcard).

I had an 8600 (technically still in my rig, i jumped the gun on my system update as ups is being holiday slow). I was forced to buy due to needing to skimp on money, but it will - and I planned this - fit nicely in my work comp in place of this 2400pro dell scammed my boss into leasing. Anyway, me and my office neighbor looked up sli w/ 2 8800's which he'd recently begun to consider. He was awed at the price and performance. I told him he could use his 8800 for physx but that it wouldn't likely make much of a difference right now (it may later).

And that's just it. He tried to future proof but the future's hard to foretell. Neither he nor I foresaw ati's fortunate turn of luck or the insane price droppage that would occur when real competition returned to the market. I was very into future proofing before I bought this rig, I wanted crossfire (since you can crossfire across certain generations of cards) and a 750 watt and a 3870 and a rocketfish case and a mobo that could handle the next generation of processors (wolfdale and beyond) that could also handle raid very well and etc. etc. etc.

I settled for this rig that was just within reach of my budget and not in the least future proofed and I got a bit lucky on the 2180 batch number and I'm extremely happy and I've got just enough money to be happily waiting on my new 260 to arrive and to be happily waiting on being able to put my 8600 in this dell and god bless us every one merry christmas tiny tim (2nd cup of morning joe hitting me just now).
    
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the e8400/e8500 (only $20 more for the e8500 on newegg) rock for overclocking. Right now i just side stepped up to an e8400 e0 stepping cpu, and put my old e8400 in my friends CPU (sold it to him for $120)

Right now on stock volts on my rig i have it 24/7 stable at stock volts @3.6ghz. I am still working on tweaking the settings but i forsee this cpu going up to 4.2-4.4ghz once i tweak more.

The e8400 i sold to my buddy is on a asus p5q SE P45 mobo. It is up to 3.6ghz on stock volts 24/7 stable. With a AC 7 Pro cooler loads no higher than 43C

I had the e8400 c0 stepping on my 780i OC'd to 4.0ghz 24/7 stable @ 1.35V loading at no higher than 52C while stress testing w/ orthos. I have a lapped TRUE to keep my CPU nice and cool.

With stock cooling you should be able to get as far as 3.6-3.7ghz on most e8400's. Most of the e8400's should be able to just up your fsb and keep the stock settings and stay stable at 400ghz (3.6ghz) but each CPU is different so you might not be able to get to 3.6ghz.
post #29 of 31
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are there any cheap cooling options.
I just found out i have the s1284 not the d1284. S is standing, d is blowing down.

If you want your cooler blowing toward the open side of the case (side that can be opened, whatever) get the d1284. if you have the space for the very long s1284 and you want it blowing toward the back of your case get that one. the s1284 and my side case fan barely fit with each other, i've got to jimmy the side of the case on because an extension of the xigmatek gets caught on the side fan unless you lay the side fan just beyond it. but the side fan blows cool in directly to the front side of the cooler which pulls it through and pushes it the 2 inches it takes to get to my 2 rear fans which exhaust it, so I'm happy.

sorry i digress. the xigmatek's can be found:

39.99 free shipping s1284, make sure you have room:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233023

34.99 no free shipping d1284, make sure you like where it blows:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&Tpk=hdt-d1284

Again these are direct-pipe. They are basically the exact same as the ocz vendetta 2's:

http://www.buy.com/prod/ocz-vendetta...207682409.html

same price and everything. i think it's just a branding thing though there might be superficial differences I can't tell from the pictures.

You seriously can't beat direct pipe - it's the latest thing and only 40 bucks.
    
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ocz vendetta 2 looks good...
E8400 or E8500? whats the diff?

And i need a laptop for my personal use...
not mainly for gaming.... budget around 1000$...
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