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Apple blows /thread
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Apple blows /thread
good answer, I haven't heard that statement on this forums before.
    
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Here's what I don't get;

OS-X is based on FreeBSD (which IS a Unix like clone). Now I have not delved into the licensing agreement that comes with FreeBSD, but part of that license is similar to linux's licensing agreement which states that any modifications to the code cannot be sold and must include the source code. (or something similar to that...)

I am going to try and get a hold of my former neighbor who is one of the founders of FreeBSD and the guy at Apple in charge of OS-X to ask him some questions. If he can talk to me due to the pending legal actions.
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Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post
God forbid a company be able to sell their product how they want without thousands of people complaining. No one forces someone to buy a Apple computer. If you want a computer you can get a HP or a Dell, if you want a Unix based OS, you can use Linux.
What if I buy, say, a program that's mac-only and my Mac is stolen. Rather than pay a small fortune for a new one, better off making my own that's much faster at a fraction of the cost.

I dont see the problem with wanting to run OSX on non-Apple hardware or why you're so angry.

And Linux =/= Unix
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Originally Posted by 13 3 @ 7 l 3 13 0 y View Post
Linux is based on Minix, not unix (and minix is based on a non-unix microkernel)

Not really true. Linux was originally modeled after Minix, but quickly deviated from it. It shares much more in common with UNIX. The inventor of Minix himself has stated publicly that Linux is not a clone of Minix.

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Here's what I don't get;

OS-X is based on FreeBSD (which IS a Unix like clone). Now I have not delved into the licensing agreement that comes with FreeBSD, but part of that license is similar to linux's licensing agreement which states that any modifications to the code cannot be sold and must include the source code. (or something similar to that...)
BSD has its own license (the BSD license it's called). This license is much less restrictive than Linux's GPL. My understanding is that BSD is pretty much a "do what ever the hell you want with it" license. You can even sell it without having to release any code modifications. With Linux, if you sell it, fine, but you have to open-source it. I don't think this is the case with the BSD license.
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Isnt it in their EULA? that you cant use OSX on a Non mac computer? meh, if this copyright thing is gona go through im all for it, always wanted to try OSX on a PC, cant afford a Mac
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Isnt it in their EULA? that you cant use OSX on a Non mac computer? meh, if this copyright thing is gona go through im all for it, always wanted to try OSX on a PC, cant afford a Mac
Who says EULA's should be considered legal contractual agreements?

I say Apple's EULA is illegal.
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Reasonable, however is Psystar transfering the license or acting as a reseller. Newegg.com sells OSX do they not?
Hmm, good point... but I believe that installing the product makes you the end-user and the owner of the product unless you have some special mass licencing/OEM agreements and whatnot...

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What if they sold OSX in its retail packaging without pre installing it for people, and merely sold their open computers "OSX ready".
That, in my understanding, would be legal; the problem, however, is that OSX has to be (illegally) modified in order to run on a PC, which is what Psystar are doing.
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Here's what I don't get;

OS-X is based on FreeBSD (which IS a Unix like clone). Now I have not delved into the licensing agreement that comes with FreeBSD, but part of that license is similar to linux's licensing agreement which states that any modifications to the code cannot be sold and must include the source code. (or something similar to that...)

I am going to try and get a hold of my former neighbor who is one of the founders of FreeBSD and the guy at Apple in charge of OS-X to ask him some questions. If he can talk to me due to the pending legal actions.
The core of OS X is Darwin, which is a free and open source OS released by Apple. There's a whole lot of proprietary code running on top of that (such as Aqua and the Finder), but the core is actually open source. If you want to install Darwin and stick an X server on top of it you could if you so choose. Nobody ever really does, but Darwin is freely available.
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No one can honestly say their laptops are fairly priced(before the refresh they just had). The white mac books cost more than their PC counterparts with the same exact specs in them, the only difference between the two was the OS and 300 dollars no matter what OS does not justify the difference in price. If that OS is 300 more just to have it installed, then i say just give me a empty laptop and I'll pick up the OS from a store for 170dollars less.
The comparisons have been done on this forum numerous times. The price difference is around $100-150, and then you consider the small things like form factor.... Then you can understand that it's not priced higher for no reason; that's a common misconception.

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Generally speaking it is usually the case, if something is purchased at retail (as Psystar is purchasing OSX) it can be resold, even modified and then resold. I don't know if special rules apply in software land, but in the world of manufactured products what I said is true.
Actually it's the exact opposite. You cannot take software, tweak it, then resell it as your own. That goes for m$ software, apple software, adobe software, etc.

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OS-X is based on FreeBSD (which IS a Unix like clone). Now I have not delved into the licensing agreement that comes with FreeBSD, but part of that license is similar to linux's licensing agreement which states that any modifications to the code cannot be sold and must include the source code. (or something similar to that...)
That's not correct. If that were the case, Crossover would be illegal (it uses Wine code and is sold in stores). If that were the case, Red Hat would be illegal, Suse would be illegal, Ubuntu would be illegal....
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