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I can see what you're saying. But EVERYBODY at least one in their life, has either downloaded something off the internet, steal something on the internet, or even listen/watch something on the internet that violates copyright law.
The difference being that piracy is no small news item, and we aren't talking about piracy by a child who wouldn't know any better. If you are unaware that stealing music over the internet is illegal then you have been living under a rock and deserve no sympathy.
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I can see what you're saying. But EVERYBODY at least one in their life, has either downloaded something off the internet, steal something on the internet, or even listen/watch something on the internet that violates copyright law.
I know. I have done it before many times, and my dad is a Patent and Trademark Lawyer. Even he has done it, although he was downloading obscure German music he was incapable of finding in stores to purchase. I am not denying that. I am simply saying that if you do then you must realize how much it hurts the people you pirate from, that it is a crime and you should be willing to accept the consequences if you are caught just like every other time you break any rule, legal or not. ]
If I do pirate a game it is because I am unsure if I will like it or not and if I do like it and spend more than one sitting or two hours playing it I will go out and purchase the game. For example, I pirated Fallout 3 and then went out and bought from a store, not a friend, or Ebay/Craigslist/this forum/etc, where the makers do not receive any money and I believe is just as bad as pirating although legal, the Collectors Edition complete with tin and bobblehead. I never played it a single time legally. But I was in love with the game so much that I didn't spend the time to get a legal copy. 90% of the games I pirate I end up buying. The others are played for an hour and then uninstalled. *Note: If this is against terms of this site I will delete it*
I also listen to music off of imeem, a streaming music site sponsored by the RIAA and 100% legal. I do so since the quality is higher than youtube and it is free. If I like a band then I buy a singles CD, so I can get a lot of the single songs and do not need to buy CD's which have only one or two songs I like. I do not buy used CD's, or deals, nor do I buy singles off itunes, but I buy the expensive CD's from the band directly or from a store such as FYE so the artists get the most money.
Edited by ubernewhacks - 12/23/08 at 12:33pm
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I can see what you're saying. But EVERYBODY at least one in their life, has either downloaded something off the internet, steal something on the internet, or even listen/watch something on the internet that violates copyright law.
You're throwing pure assumptions to the masses here. I used to pirate in the old napster days, since then, maybe what 9 years later, I haven't downloaded anything that wasn't legit. For the "masses", people don't use torrents, limewire etc, only the experienced PC users. For you to assume everybody is in some way a criminal is completely ignorant. Everybody might have violated a traffic law or something in that nature, but I can't say everybody does or did.

Back on track, I feel really bad for this sad situation, especially if she is not really at fault in reality.
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How is downloading music over a P2P any different than me asking my friend to borrow the latest Coldplay LP?

Instead of verbally asking him, I used the built in chat feature that most P2P have and asked that way. He then allowed me to connect to his computer to download the album.

Using the RIAA's logic, grand theft auto is when I ask my mother to borrow her car... Even though she gave me permission. But according to them, its not my car so therefor its theft.
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- The actual fine for downloading music illegally is much much higher. The RIAA does not have to settle out of court, but the reason they settle out of court is so that they can set an example.
They send out threatening letters demanding several thousands dollars, telling them to either pay up, or get taken to court and face their army of lawyers, and get sued for several hundred thousand dollars, in some cases. They're also kind enough to also send out a huge stack of papers filled with legal jargon no one can understand, to incite even more fear. The RIAA is doing horribly in court. They literally feed off people settling out of court.

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They do not want to make themselves look bad, or to inflict pain. That's why it is 100% random. All they want is for people to stop pirating copyrighted material and the most efficient way to do that is to sue many people at a fraction of the true value so others see the problem and either realize why it is bad or stop out of fear.
Wrong.

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- The RIAA has sued over 30,000 people. I can find the site if someone does not believe me. Statistically, they are going to hit some bad-off people, either physically, mentally, or fiscally.
Nope, because they just go after the weakest link. The people who upload movies know their way around the internet. The people who sell bootleg DVDs know the territory. They are not easily caught. A 19 year old girl who has little computer knowledge and just hops on limewire to grab a few songs... Now that's an easy target.

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- When you pirate music/movies/games/etc, you steal. Stealing is illegal. I cannot say that I have never pirated anything, as that is far from true, but I can say that I know that when you break a law knowingly, no matter what law, you must be willing to take the consequences. I knew this when I previously pirated and whenever I do something that is against the rules, no matter if they are family rules or legally binding laws, I understand the consequences and the risk that I take.
Steal implies that an item was taken away from someone. No, instead, a new copy was simply created, therefore it is copying. Semantics, I know, but this is one of my biggest pet peeves.

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- Piracy is a humongous problem. If people did not pirate music or movies or games then we would not have the DRM/Securom problems. There would be many more independent game developers, music labels, movie producers, as they would be able to sell all copyrighted material instead of losing a significant percentage of profits.
You act like DRM stops piracy? At best, it delays torrents for a day or two. All it really does is cause problems for the person who actually pays money for the game. It also costs the company a nice amount of money for the license to use it. It's a lose/lose situation.


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- What the RIAA/MPAA/etc does is lame, we all hate it, but honestly, what choice do they have?
They have the choice to stop going after people who can't afford to defend themselves in the court of law. The people they should be going after are the ones who sell bootleg dvds and cds, and the ones who upload the material to torrents to begin with. But they don't, because that would be too much effort. It's far easier, and profitable, to simply sit in the office all day and send out these letters and simply collect sums of money from people.

They also have the option of creating material that is worth buying. A good portion of the stuff being produced today is trash. Absolute trash.

Truth be told, they LOVE piracy. They are making huge sums of money simply by sitting back and suing people left and right.

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If anyone had a better idea, then I guarantee you that they would love to hear it and might even pay you for it if you could implement it because they would respect your hard work and understand what it is worth!
Funniest thing I've read all day. Especially the bolded part. Just like how they respect the hard work of the people who actually make the songs, right? The artists get pennies on the dollar from album sales, while the RIAA fatcats sit in their comfy chair all day and take the rest. Not to mention the money they get from these lawsuits, which they claim helps the artists... Well guess what, they don't see a penny of it.

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- I stopped pirating, both for ethical reasons but also for quality reasons and the ease Spyware, Bugs, etc. And if others did so also then game prices, software prices, music prices, would all go down.
Even if piracy was non existent, we'd still be paying the same high prices we are now. Piracy never has and never will dictate prices.

You are a sheep, as is anyone else who agrees with your outlandish statements.
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How is downloading music over a P2P any different than me asking my friend to borrow the latest Coldplay LP?

Instead of verbally asking him, I used the built in chat feature that most P2P have and asked that way. He then allowed me to connect to his computer to download the album.

Using the RIAA's logic, grand theft auto is when I ask my mother to borrow her car... Even though she gave me permission. But according to them, its not my car so therefor its theft.
Except for the fact you are illegally making a copy of the music. Ya sure.
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The RIAA is doing horribly in court. They literally feed off people settling out of court.
This is true, the RIAA has not won a single lawsuit in court, but I am sure that many of the people who settle would have lost in court and took the cheaper way out.

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Nope, because they just go after the weakest link. The people who upload movies know their way around the internet. The people who sell bootleg DVDs know the territory. They are not easily caught. A 19 year old girl who has little computer knowledge and just hops on limewire to grab a few songs... Now that's an easy target.
It is random. Also, when you are guilty by an IP address, it has no personal information. They also have shut down sites as opposed to hitting those who upload. Also, selling bootleg dvd's is not digital and is not what we are discussing.

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Steal implies that an item was taken away from someone. No, instead, a new copy was simply created, therefore it is copying. Semantics, I know, but this is one of my biggest pet peeves.
My dad does Patent and Trademark law. I have discussed this argument with him. The law states that you are allowed to make one personal copy for your own use to serve as a backup, nothing more.

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You act like DRM stops piracy? At best, it delays torrents for a day or two. All it really does is cause problems for the person who actually pays money for the game. It also costs the company a nice amount of money for the license to use it. It's a lose/lose situation.
I never said it stopped piracy. I said it was an annoying feature intended to slow people down as they have no other option. Although I am sure it stops some people as they get angry and give up and go buy the game.

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They have the choice to stop going after people who can't afford to defend themselves in the court of law. The people they should be going after are the ones who sell bootleg dvds and cds, and the ones who upload the material to torrents to begin with. But they don't, because that would be too much effort. It's far easier, and profitable, to simply sit in the office all day and send out these letters and simply collect sums of money from people.
They hit everyone. Take Supernova.

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They also have the option of creating material that is worth buying. A good portion of the stuff being produced today is trash. Absolute trash.
Then why pirate it?

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Truth be told, they LOVE piracy. They are making huge sums of money simply by sitting back and suing people left and right.
Well to be honest when I look at charts showing the RIAA profits and how they are plummeting I assume that is stupid. Also, the heads of the companies don't end up keeping the money it goes towards paying for the stuff they are doing i.e. legal fees paying the people who harvest the IP's etc.

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Funniest thing I've read all day. Especially the bolded part. Just like how they respect the hard work of the people who actually make the songs, right? The artists get pennies on the dollar from album sales, while the RIAA fatcats sit in their comfy chair all day and take the rest. Not to mention the money they get from these lawsuits, which they claim helps the artists... Well guess what, they don't see a penny of it.
Artists do get money from album sales and as I said before I believe that you should always purchase in a manner that allows the artists to get the most money, like buying a CD at a concert or buying directly off of their website.

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Even if piracy was non existent, we'd still be paying the same high prices we are now. Piracy never has and never will dictate prices.
It does, but it also forces many companies out of business and prevents new ones from forming as they cannot make a profit.

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Funniest thing I've read all day. Especially the bolded part. Just like how they respect the hard work of the people who actually make the songs, right? The artists get pennies on the dollar from album sales, while the RIAA fatcats sit in their comfy chair all day and take the rest. Not to mention the money they get from these lawsuits, which they claim helps the artists... Well guess what, they don't see a penny of it.
Lets stop buying clothes and steal them because the people in sweatshops in China get so little when they make our jeans.
Edited by ubernewhacks - 12/23/08 at 1:13pm
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i can see how... stuff on myspace(esp music)

they're widgetss but they're like still downloading them from various sites.

bah.
    
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