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ps3 has got some nice games but really the xbox live and online play is great. sigh if it wasnt so RROD prone i wouldve gotten one months ago, thats the only thing keeping me from getting such.

as for the PS3, the graphics are awesome and it looks way sleek. im glad sony isnt loosing as much as it is before, i like sony and ive got a psp, but not most of the games really cut it for me, plus the games are a bit more expensive too.
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Honestly, I've heard bad.... But damn - that was the most biased post I've seen in a loooong time. Thats saying something considering I argue with everyone.
I'm surprised you even responded to Kuntz. I've never seen him post anything even remotely productive, honest, or on point.
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I'm surprised you even responded to Kuntz. I've never seen him post anything even remotely productive, honest, or on point.
I know - majority of the time his posts are completely negative or biased. But this drew the line. I've never seen something so out there like that.
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Retailers still sell the xbox at a loss by the way. At least on the refurb units, I haven't checked the new in box ones.
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Damn I hate that they removed PS2 compatibility... that was one of the reasons for me to get a ps3 since my PS2 died a long time ago, now until FFXIII comes out AND the ps3 lowers the price I have no reason to buy one.
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You can say my comments are negative, but the truth is, they're just against your opinion. I own both consoles and have for awhile, and I couldn't help but notice there is one that is clearly better than the other when it comes to gaming.

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Originally Posted by OmegaNemesis28 View Post
Not every comparison article or developer will tell you that for starters. Show me links to every kind of comparison and every developer.
Your arguement is that because I can't link you to every article ever written on the subject I must be wrong? Here's an article you posted earlier:

http://www.gamespot.com/features/620...opslot;thumb;4

You can find the rest on your own time. Your laziness is not a valid arguement in a discussion. Every comparison article shows the 360 has more detailed texturing, texture filtering, and lighting/shadowing.

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Where do you get "better and more detailed graphics and textures from"?
Fallout 3, like Devil May Cry, GTA4, Assassins Creed, and Turok, has far superior graphics detail on the 360 than the PS3. I forget all the other comparisons, but they all show how low res the PS3 is:


^Taken from the very same article you posted, unedited, saved as PNG.

360 sharp rock with normal-mapping versus PS3 blurry rock with no normal-mapping. Normal mapping helps games look realistic by simulating high resolution surfaces using textures (it's precomputed Bump Mapping basically).

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Fast load times? WHAT? All games vary, and the PS3 actually has a faster load time because of the HD installations. And don't reply back "the 360 has it now too" - because thats a recently added option and did not exist until last month. Not to mention, thats not mandatory.
The PS3's load times, in general, are far longer than the 360. This is simply because the BD drive in the PS3 has really low bandwidth. The #1 complaint I hear from my 360/PS3 developer friends is the BD bandwidth limitations.
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I've got my hands on a japanese ps3 in the year of the launch, back then they still were 600. It's the older version with all those memorycard slots but for ps2 compatibility I don't have much use as I don't own japanese ps2 games It was just a good chance for me to get a ps3 below the 600 price.
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You can say my comments are negative, but the truth is, they're just against your opinion. I own both consoles and have for awhile, and I couldn't help but notice there is one that is clearly better than the other when it comes to gaming.



Your arguement is that because I can't link you to every article ever written on the subject I must be wrong? Here's an article you posted earlier:

http://www.gamespot.com/features/620...opslot;thumb;4

You can find the rest on your own time. Your laziness is not a valid arguement in a discussion. Every comparison article shows the 360 has more detailed texturing, texture filtering, and lighting/shadowing.



Fallout 3, like Devil May Cry, GTA4, Assassins Creed, and Turok, has far superior graphics detail on the 360 than the PS3. I forget all the other comparisons, but they all show how low res the PS3 is:


^Taken from the very same article you posted, unedited, saved as PNG.

360 sharp rock with normal-mapping versus PS3 blurry rock with no normal-mapping. Normal mapping helps games look realistic by simulating high resolution surfaces using textures (it's precomputed Bump Mapping basically).



The PS3's load times, in general, are far longer than the 360. This is simply because the BD drive in the PS3 has really low bandwidth. The #1 complaint I hear from my 360/PS3 developer friends is the BD bandwidth limitations.
Since when is gaming all about graphics and loadtimes and blablablablabla.
1. Gaming is about gameplay and the games you WANT to play, not the games you have to play because they look the best. Crysis looks wonderful right? But what about gameplay? Shooting idiot-AI in the back while standing next to them is just not gonna cut it
2. If you are so afraid of dying while waiting to play then just don't play at all. If it takes a while get a drink/ take a dump and then return to continue happy playing.
3. PC is still the best!!!

Side Note (personal opinion): That 360 rendered rock looks a little too much jagged (no AA?) and have you ever seen such shadows in real life my friend? Shadows ain't always and everywhere perfect black. And I don't there is any game out yet that fully occupies all the ps3's power...

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I agree with you SpeedDevil, but I think there is a lot of confusion that the PS3 has superior graphics. It may have the potential to (8 core cell can help out with graphics processing) but at the moment, it just can't, or isn't being used.
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Omega, it is known and proven fact that the XboX 360 GPU is in fact better than the PS3 GPU. But not by much.

The PS3 however wins in the CPU category. Also when it comes to memory management, the 360 is easier since it's 512MB unified where as the ps3 is 2x256 split between the cell and GPU(but the memory in the ps3 is faster). so devs have to reallocate memory from the cpu if they need more than the 256 provided out of the box.
    
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