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Well if they both have it, it's in our best interest. The lower wattages, and the amount of those atom chips made in bulk makes them cheaper to those who buy the circuitry for their products and cheaper for us in the end all the way around. Just like say if only three companies are buying the Blu ray Trays for their players then there aren't as many parts on the market from the main manufacturer of that tray so they cost more for these companies to buy and with higher wholesale cost to manufacturer we pay higher wholesale/margin depending on the product. If we have 10 or 20 or 30 suddenly that part is being made in bulk, flooded in the market, and suddenly bluray players are hella cheap. Atom technology is the future for a while for us lower taskers or who want to leave a computer on over night without paying a lot of electricity for it to do say downloading or processing for us. Sharing is caring and benefits us all
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I really only want a new chipset for the atom. An extremely cool and energy efficient solution is negated by the (comparitively) power-hungry and hot northbridge. They need to do away with the 945 chipset yesterday and introduce a solution that could allow it to be passively cooled without a rediculously large heatsink. That is the only thing preventing me from scooping up about a dozen atom platforms right now. I need some new netbooks for my family, a new router, a file server, and about 4HTPCs. My family would have had a very nice christmas had intel not dragged their feet on this.

In addition, wy not at least put a 4x PCIe lane on it for a decent TV tuner or NIC, or at least another PCI slot for a NIC and a raid solution.

Seriously Intel, you won my business with the Core architecture (I was a die-hard AMD fan for over a decade) now you just have to keep it. I7 was great, Atom is a step in the right direction, but you're missing the mark on power consumption and heat.
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post #13 of 35
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AMD said it wasn't going into the netbook field. They are developing a low power notebook platform though but these are more in the $800-1200 laptop range.
They're more or less targeting "premium" netbooks due to the fact that they're not going to have 45nm notebook chips till 2010, and playing the lowest-cost war when the odds are against you sucks.


But surely these "premium" won't be that much more expensive. From a desktop standpoint, AMD's current EE (45W) Brisbanes are rather cheap. Underclock and undervolt these same chips, you've got a Consensus chip (I suspect the underlying components are virtually similar besides L2 cache, low power mods and different packaging).

So compared to normal notebook CPUs starting 200USD+ per CPU, this should come cheap at $70-100+ if rolled out in volume. More expensive than a single core netbook Atom ($44), but there you go.


The only "problem" is thermals and power usage. Some brands actually managed to get Atom notebooks hot, so never say never.
    
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I really only want a new chipset for the atom. An extremely cool and energy efficient solution is negated by the (comparitively) power-hungry and hot northbridge. They need to do away with the 945 chipset yesterday and introduce a solution that could allow it to be passively cooled without a rediculously large heatsink. That is the only thing preventing me from scooping up about a dozen atom platforms right now. I need some new netbooks for my family, a new router, a file server, and about 4HTPCs. My family would have had a very nice christmas had intel not dragged their feet on this.

In addition, wy not at least put a 4x PCIe lane on it for a decent TV tuner or NIC, or at least another PCI slot for a NIC and a raid solution.

Seriously Intel, you won my business with the Core architecture (I was a die-hard AMD fan for over a decade) now you just have to keep it. I7 was great, Atom is a step in the right direction, but you're missing the mark on power consumption and heat.

As stated.... Intel is dragging on pushing Poulsbo. This chipset replaces both the 945 and ICH7 which will reduce the PCB footprint. It has a 2.3w TDP as opposed to the previous chipsets' 25w+ TDP. It was launched with Atom in 1Q08 but the first adopters will be MSI in 1Q09.

http://ark.intel.com/chipset.aspx?familyID=35443

Intel does not wish to cannibalize their Celeron sales so they will not add too many features to Atom.
Edited by DuckieHo - 12/24/08 at 7:53am
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Yeah I spoke with an employee they are still working with the 45nm chips let alone having gotten to or figured out the 32nm yet. Exciting stuff
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post #16 of 35
Quote:
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Intel does not wish to cannibalize their Celeron sales so they will not add too many features to Atom.
The thing is, the current chipset is at least capable of pushing PCIe. Even if it's only 4 lane, it would allow for more expansion. I know for a fact that jetway has some Atom boards that have PCIe in addition to the legacy PCI.

And add a better effin lan controller. That realtek is crap. Put a couple yukon 10/100s in there and make the platform viable for a small business server environment.

Intel is letting celeron M cannibalize the Atom, not the other way around.

EDIT: here is the info page for poulsbo AKA SCH UL11L. It looks simultaneouly intriguing and disappointing. 2.3w TDP, 2 lanes of PCIe, 8USB, and can suppot HDMI with Intel HD audio. The bad side is 1GB maximum Ram. Methinks that these are not designed with anything but UMPCs in mind. I hope against hope that they have at least 2 sata ports in this one though.
Edited by HardwaterH4ck3r - 12/24/08 at 8:30am
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Intel will lose this battle, I don't even know why they are trying. They should embrace the Atom platform and make it a central part of their business platform.
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Atom and 945 plays games just fine.

www.goodoldgames.com

Never was there a better platform for those games than a netbook. They run natively at low 10"-type resolutions too.
http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/list/

Or these , using DosBOX.
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Thats it right there.

This is unfair on consumers for the sole reason that Nvidia could do a much better job of an Atom chipset than Intel.

And its not even like Intel doesnt have a better chipset for it, because they do. They are just being slow.


God I pray AMD rethinks their Netbook stance. AMD ULV chip + 780G = droolz.
I want to say that statement is debatable looking at the ATX chipset market.
P35 > 750i
X38/X48 > 780i/790i
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Atom and 945 plays games just fine.

www.goodoldgames.com

Never was there a better platform for those games than a netbook. They run natively at low 10"-type resolutions too.
Freespace2 FTW.

But yeah, any computer that can't play Guild Wars, and other such MMO's isn't for me. I'm probably getting a 14.1" Laptop with HD3200 for MMOs over friend's houses.
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