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Originally Posted by AN HERO View Post
They're more or less targeting "premium" netbooks due to the fact that they're not going to have 45nm notebook chips till 2010, and playing the lowest-cost war when the odds are against you sucks.


But surely these "premium" won't be that much more expensive. From a desktop standpoint, AMD's current EE (45W) Brisbanes are rather cheap. Underclock and undervolt these same chips, you've got a Consensus chip (I suspect the underlying components are virtually similar besides L2 cache, low power mods and different packaging).

So compared to normal notebook CPUs starting 200USD+ per CPU, this should come cheap at $70-100+ if rolled out in volume. More expensive than a single core netbook Atom ($44), but there you go.


The only "problem" is thermals and power usage. Some brands actually managed to get Atom notebooks hot, so never say never.
You forgot the other big "problems".... yields and costs.

AM2 65nm have a 118mm^2 die size while the Atom has a 25mm^2 die size. Intel can get 2500 CPUs per 300mm wafer while AMD would be able to get a quarter of that. The Atom is also built from the ground up to be cheap. The AM2 65nm use 221M transistors while the Atom uses 47M (double it for dual-core). Lower components means higher yields and less expensive to produce.

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Originally Posted by RussianGrimmReaper View Post
I want to say that statement is debatable looking at the ATX chipset market.
P35 > 750i
X38/X48 > 780i/790i
You aren't comparing the correct market:

Intel Graphics <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NVIDIA Graphics.

Intel G45 <<< NVIDIA 9400
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To be honest, what can Nvidia offer PC's which use the low power Atom?

Nvidia needs to go with a powerhouse PC.
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post #23 of 35
intel is being greedy and destroying the atom as a platform.
even with their new chipset, 1gig of ram max? what is this all about? eh
when the new chipset comes out, im going to use atom for a new router/media player
(btw, even a g45 can output video in hi rez.) as well as file server
its going to be an all in one
just slap a big hdd in there, a nic, and thats it

well, other than slapping it in some sort of case...
for that, i plan to put some risers in a piece of wood or acrylic, and just sorta put something over it, all nice and small
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awwww i was looking forward to 9400m + atom oh well.. samsung nc-10 it is then. xD
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awwww i was looking forward to 9400m + atom oh well.. samsung nc-10 it is then. xD
that the via alternative?
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Originally Posted by The_Rocker View Post
To be honest, what can Nvidia offer PC's which use the low power Atom?

Nvidia needs to go with a powerhouse PC.
Please go check the 9400M + Atom performance.... Asus N10.

You can play CoD4 on it.
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post #27 of 35
I don't think I understand Intel.


How about the VIA Nano?
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I don't think I understand Intel.


How about the VIA Nano?
They are having problems with volume production. HP even switched to Atom with there new MiniNote.
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Originally Posted by RussianGrimmReaper View Post
I want to say that statement is debatable looking at the ATX chipset market.
P35 > 750i
X38/X48 > 780i/790i
That could well be the case (Im not too up to scratch with the Intel chipsets), but as far as Atom goes Nvidia would really have to mess up to be worse than a 945 Intel chipset.
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I'm hoping the atom Z500 series is the saving grace, but it look slike I'm going to use the VIA c7 architecture to guide my home infrastructure. Just wish it was a bit cheaper, but you can buy barebones c7 systems minus ram and HDD for about $200. I dont even plan on using more than a CF card for the operating systems anyway.

Step1, custom router, but I'll wait for atom Z-540 to come out. It really should be super cheap, considering the restrictions that poulsbro will place on it.
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