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This is old as is gets!
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Let me add a little detail here, even though this is a very old topic, and noone really seems to understand what it is....


EVGA are utilising a chip made by a company called Teradici. This chip compresses and encrypts the output from the computer, and it can then be transmitted over a standard TCP/IP network. This means you can cross subnets... therefore WAN or LAN, its up to you. The encryption and compression is wirespeed, so end to end latency caused by the extension is not present.

At the other end, the receiver contains another of these chips, and the data is decompressed and decrypted, presented out of the output video/usb/audio ports.

Now, trust me on this, if you have a decent network, you can run this over thousands of miles. We have various clients running this across the sea, and/or intercity.
Believe me or not, at 0-30ms you wouldn't even know your computer wasn't under your desk. The compression is incredibly efficent, and the performance quite unbelievable. I have had UT3 and at another time HL2 running on a PC with an 8800GTX in it at 30ms in the office (on our kit not EVGA's i hasten to add). 30ms and beyond, the Teradici chip automatically scales down the quality of your image to retain framerate.

This is NOT virtualisation, it is extending your computer only on a one to one basis, and the card/receiver are paired by IP address. You can freely disconnect the cable or receiver, and reconnect, and your PC continues running along in the background. This is NOT cloud computing or mainframes, its centralising your computers as individual pieces of hardware per user, and extending them to a small form factor receiver. This is also NOT thin client... its PC remote... what you get at the desk is your computer as it is outputting.

In a little more detail... You feed the raw video output from the graphics card into the extender card... USB/audio data is gathered from within the computer. Our customers who use this have high speed inter-country pipes, often fibre (once its IP traffic it doesnt matter). You could though run this over a LAN which some people choose to do, not going any further than a few hundred metres. In this kind of environments its seamless.

Just a note... I dont work for EVGA... they are quite late in the game with this, and the technology is already being used by other vendors with the right names in the right industries. I'm not sure why EVGA have gone down this route entirely, it seems a strange product for them.

Bandwidth is obviously a limiting factor, but two screens at 1920x1200 for normal word/browsing use is kb's to a couple of meg max, full HD video over both screens your looking nearer 20MB and above. The solution supports HD video and audio.

The reasons for centralising computers in some environments are fairly obvious ones... on a floor with a few hundred users, the reduction in heat and power is huge (even a quad receiver is only 30-40W).

Feel free to PM me if you think all of this is interesting and want to know a little more! And thanks for reading.


Edited by jimbonbon - 11/24/10 at 4:18am
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Thanks for the update! I believe Dell recently announced Teradici-based products as well.
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Wasn't AMD saying they wanted to do something like this for mobile devices? I thought I read somewhere they wanted to have a main server and then stream HD movies and games to mobile devices such as cell phones and laptops?
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Thanks for the update! I believe Dell recently announced Teradici-based products as well.
No problem... Dell do a solution that utilises a 2U rack mounted workstation called an R5400. The card and receiver is called the FX100 solution i think. They then use host card (originally i'm pretty certain, made by a company called Devon IT from the US and relabelled Dell), and a Dell labelled receiver. Devon IT provide various people including i think IBM, who are rumoured to have just EOL'd their PC over IP solution.

One of our solutions is a quad card, which fits in high density blades,


CAHOP240 - What AMD are probably talking about is simply a high def streaming service. This is a PC extension solution only, and currently works one to one... PC to receiver.
Edited by jimbonbon - 2/23/09 at 3:03pm
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This can be very useful to my business. I wonder what the price tag would be on 4 client machines and one host.
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The primary use of this tech is just to move the heat/noise/space to another location then? Is there any other usage for it? Can you switch/upgrade host machines without having to reconfigure the portal?

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This can be very useful to my business. I wonder what the price tag would be on 4 client machines and one host.
I believe it is one-to-one.... unless it supports virtualization?

$400 for card
$400 for portal
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The primary use of this tech is just to move the heat/noise/space to another location then? Is there any other usage for it? Can you switch/upgrade host machines without having to reconfigure the portal?


I believe it is one-to-one....

$400 for card
$400 for portal
You can indeed upgrade machines, and reinsert the host card in them... all it relies on is a PCI-e slot being available, the PC over IP configuration is stored on the card itself (or on a central management server). You can extend a PC with no OS for example... the solution is completely OS/software independent, and is transparent as far as your computer knows. You could then rebuild it remotely. You could even just distribute a VDI to the PC itself or have roaming profiles so there us no data sitting on it that cannot be lost. Therefore you could swap and replace the PC, and simply reconnect the user to their new computer without having to even touch their desk. One of the things ours and other people management software supports is to have a failover functionality, so a user can quickly be used to a new blade and host card, whilst keeping the same receiver.

Data security, DR sites etc apply also... should you not be able to make it to location of the receiver, you can redirect the PC to a receiver elsewhere without having to power it down. This is not something EVGA offer I suspect, as I doubt they wrap in any management software to do this remotely. You can also lock down USB devices at the desk, therefore if they are not allowed, they don't even make it to the OS to be denied.

Indeed, it is currently one-to-one. There are many software (like VMWare/Citrix) solutions available that already do one to many. The difference is the performance you get with PC over IP cannot currently be beaten as its all done in hardware only, with no CPU overhead or software dependance. However, software solutions are often good enough for back office users.

The prices depend very much who your buying the solution from. HP have a blade solution called RGS that is software based though, not Teradici. This is more thin client, and needs a dumb terminal SFF pc at the desk. PCI-e solutions there are various manufacturers.

Further EDIT... Virtualisation might be supported in the future, but I don't know.

To serialtoon... you could have one receiver that could see all four of the computers, then you choose which you connect to, disconnect and choose another etc...? Not sure if this is something EVGA definitely support, but most PC over IP solutions based on Teradici do.
Edited by jimbonbon - 2/23/09 at 2:56pm
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say i have a laptop, and i wanna stream half-life 2 to it from my gaming PC over my wireless home network. would that be possible?
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say i have a laptop, and i wanna stream half-life 2 to it from my gaming PC over my wireless home network. would that be possible?
Not quite what your looking for... I have seen someone extend a laptop across a network to a desktop receiver using our kit (using an external PCI-e slot... see magma.com!) but thats an expensive way of doing things, and was only done for demo purposes. Its not really a home use technology (unless you keep your PC in your basement!!).

Your looking for something like streammygame.com... but a LAN version, which is something I don't know that they do.
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