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Sucks how after all this time (and the NDA supposedly lifting), this is all the info we have.
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No offense to Overclocker_gr, but...

Why you should take these tests with a grain of salt.



The MSI 790GX BIOS is an in-house version (Toppc is a MSI tester/Engineer), very fresh and optimized for performance.


Even 5% (I'm betting ~8%) better per clock would in many cases make the P-II look a lot better.
    
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Because we all know that all future games will be less GPU dependent than Crysis.


At the moment Crysis is the best indicator of a systems potential future gaming performance, like it or not.

Either way, care to explain why your beloved beast the i7 lost to BOTH PII and C2Q?
Games are going to start to be coded to make use of more cores and threads as time progresses. Crysis is a crapily coded game only known because it looks pretty. No way should it be used to measure a CPU which it can't even utilize.

As for the results, I'm not denying that the i7 isn't a great gaming CPU. As it stands, games don't use the CPU that much. And I don't buy CPUs based solely on their gaming performance. (Most people don't)

I'm not a physiologist, but I'd say your constant need to point out that sole benchmark from Crysis is some sort of inner denial trying to prevent your fanboy mind from seeing these tragic early phenom II results.

Flaming in 3... 2... 1...
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Games are going to start to be coded to make use of more cores and threads as time progresses. Crysis is a crapily coded game only known because it looks pretty. No way should it be used to measure a CPU which it can't even utilize.

As for the results, I'm not denying that the i7 isn't a great gaming CPU. As it stands, games don't use the CPU that much. And I don't buy CPUs based solely on their gaming performance. (Most people don't)

I'm not a physiologist, but I'd say your constant need to point out that sole benchmark from Crysis is some sort of inner denial trying to prevent your fanboy mind from seeing these tragic early phenom II results.

Flaming in 3... 2... 1...
Ah, he falls back on "fanboy". What a pathetic little jab that was.

I have more intel CPU's in my office closet than you've probably owned in your whole life.

It's obvious to anyone who isn't wearing blinders that Phenom II is a very worthy competitor to C2Q and even i7 in high res gaming applications. Last time I checked most folks with i7 gaming rigs aren't running 1024x768.


I do little encoding and rendering, and even if Phenom II slightly (or heavily for that matter) trails C2Q/i7 in those applications it means little to me because I usually will set core affinity and let that run in the background, and continue on with my business... rather than sitting in front of my computer and ******* off at how fast my i7 performs an mp4 translation.

Arguing a chip's overall worth in a system by citing its' performance in an operation that is typically done in the background and requires no user input once started is absolutely absurd.

edit: BTW, I find it funny that you call me a fanboy, yet are a future i7 owner spending more time in Phenom II threads than most AMD owners do. Hmmm....
Edited by iandh - 12/28/08 at 7:56pm
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Marketing scheme. They're trying to make people think that the P2s are on the same level as the i7s yet somehow cheaper. Funny how people complain non-stop about nVidia's naming and not AMD's.



inorite!?!
No reason to usually. This bunch isn't as passable. AMD's naming scheme is very bothersome with PII.
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Sucks how after all this time (and the NDA supposedly lifting), this is all the info we have.
What does NDA mean?

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I do little encoding and rendering, and even if Phenom II slightly trails C2Q in those applications it means little to me because I usually will set core affinity and let that run in the background, and continue on with my business... rather than sitting in front of my computer and ******* off at how fast my i7 performs an mp4 translation.
I use photoshop & FL studio. photoshop runs good on even a dual core but my FL studio is having problems most of the time.

My question is rather, if it would be any use to go with a phenom II as they are aimed towards 250€ while Q6600 is only 180 and delivers almost the same performance.

This is only one review tho, maybe it turns out better or turns out the same.

Phenom 2 is still a good ammount cheaper, especially in the EU where intell mobo's are priced over 250 and ram over 100.
It'll however become the question if there's any use for people who don't own a am2+ mobo yet to save up that money and go with that instead of just going with a 775 quad.

775 mobo's are priced about the same, some even cheaper but the phenom 2 turns out to be still priced somewhat high here in EU.

Then again, they might drop when they get released and the upcomming revieuws might give people more reason to go with this one instead of going intell.
But yeah, my current upgrade plans are now showing a big question mark that wont be answered untill more reviews appear.

The only real benefit i see from AMD now is that it has more ati support (as far as i heard)
For gaming both cpu's would do enough good..
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What does NDA mean?



I use photoshop & FL studio. photoshop runs good on even a dual core but my FL studio is having problems most of the time.

My question is rather, if it would be any use to go with a phenom II as they are aimed towards 250€ while Q6600 is only 180 and delivers almost the same performance.

This is only one review tho, maybe it turns out better or turns out the same.

Phenom 2 is still a good ammount cheaper, especially in the EU where intell mobo's are priced over 250 and ram over 100.
It'll however become the question if there's any use for people who don't own a am2+ mobo yet to save up that money and go with that instead of just going with a 775 quad.

775 mobo's are priced about the same, some even cheaper but the phenom 2 turns out to be still priced somewhat high here in EU.

Then again, they might drop when they get released and the upcomming revieuws might give people more reason to go with this one instead of going intell.
But yeah, my current upgrade plans are now showing a big question mark that wont be answered untill more reviews appear.

The only real benefit i see from AMD now is that it has more ati support (as far as i heard)
For gaming both cpu's would do enough good..
The lower end Phenom II's should be a good deal cheaper than the 940 BE's and therefore a much more sound competitor to the Q6600 as long as you have a decent mobo. Even the 920's have been showing up with many 4Ghz+ validations.
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Ah, he falls back on "fanboy". What a pathetic little jab that was.

I have more intel CPU's in my office closet than you've probably owned in your whole life.

It's obvious to anyone who isn't wearing blinders that Phenom II is a very worthy competitor to C2Q and even i7 in high res gaming applications. Last time I checked most folks with i7 gaming rigs aren't running 1024x768.


I do little encoding and rendering, and even if Phenom II slightly (or heavily for that matter) trails C2Q/i7 in those applications it means little to me because I usually will set core affinity and let that run in the background, and continue on with my business... rather than sitting in front of my computer and ******* off at how fast my i7 performs an mp4 translation.

Arguing a chip's overall worth in a system by citing its' performance in an operation that is typically done in the background and requires no user input once started is absolutely absurd.

edit: BTW, I find it funny that you call me a fanboy, yet are a future i7 owner spending more time in Phenom II threads than most AMD owners do. Hmmm....
Dude, do you... like, do stuff in real life? I mean I could spend half an hour coming up with a witty response to that but at some point I have to take the high road and say "woah, brah, there just cpus, calm the f down lol". I mean serious... you take cpu arguments to a personal level. But whatever, take this post with a grain of salt.
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Dude, do you... like, do stuff in real life? I mean I could spend half an hour coming up with a witty response to that but at some point I have to take the high road and say "woah, brah, there just cpus, calm the f down lol". I mean serious... you take cpu arguments to a personal level. But whatever, take this post with a grain of salt.
... says the guy that has a boat-load of posts arguing against amd's chips or picking apart people's arguments for preferring them.

and telling us that you could come up with a witty response actually tells us that you couldn't think of crap to say that was even remotely humorous.
    
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What does NDA mean?
Non Disclosure Agreement

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Games are going to start to be coded to make use of more cores and threads as time progresses. Crysis is a crapily coded game only known because it looks pretty. No way should it be used to measure a CPU which it can't even utilize.

I'm not a physiologist, but I'd say your constant need to point out that sole benchmark from Crysis is some sort of inner denial trying to prevent your fanboy mind from seeing these tragic early phenom II results.

Flaming in 3... 2... 1...
Most of the people that said Crysis was coded badly were the ones that kept trying to run it higher than their systems could handle.

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Dude, do you... like, do stuff in real life? I mean I could spend half an hour coming up with a witty response to that but at some point I have to take the high road and say "woah, brah, there just cpus, calm the f down lol". I mean serious... you take cpu arguments to a personal level. But whatever, take this post with a grain of salt.
You call other people fanboy then expect to called one in return. If you don't like it then maybe you need to check your posts before hitting the reply button. You have to take the high road.
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