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Hello everyone, I was directed to come here from another forum. I need help picking an AMD processor for my motherboard, one that will work and not cause me any problems. My PC specs are below:

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AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.2GHz
Elitegroup MCP61PM-AM motherboard.
XFX NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512mb video card.
4gb DDR2 RAM
Antec Nine Hundred ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (1x 120mm, 2x 120mm, & 1x 200mm fan)
My motherboard specs =
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http://support.packardbell.com/uk/item/index.php?i=spec_MCP61PM-AM&ppn=PB82113801
If you guys could help me, it would be appriciative. I'm looking to get a new CPU to help me boost my gaming. I currently Play Crysis Wars online and can only play on "good performance" settings and would like to play on something better. Which card would you recommend?

Some CPUs I have in mind...
CPU #1 ($61 after promo)
CPU #2 ($75 after promo)

I have a $100 spending limit. Thanks very much! I'm still learning and appreciate if you would help me.
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post #2 of 17
7750be easily.

clock vs clock, it is about as good as an e8200 for half the price (game performance wise)
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post #3 of 17
Your motherboard is from an HP?

It will not support the 7750+ without a BIOS update. And I'm willing to bet that neither HP or ECS will write a BIOS for it.

So your best bet would be the AMD Athlon64 X2 6400+ since you won't be able to overclock on that motherboard, the 6400+ will offer you the most speed for the AM2 socket; while still keeping the price under $100.
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Looks like the most current BIOS release is 8/2/08, but it does not say what changes were made in the BIOS release.
The problem is it is an AM2 board, which may or may not have support for an AM2+ CPU, and depending on which CPU you have (Brisbane vs Windsor core) could make a difference also.

The safest bet would be the 6000+ since it is an AM2 89w CPU and is a bit older tech.
Being an OEM Motherboard, you probably will have a locked BIOS, so having a Black Edition CPU will make no difference.
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i would also suggest the 6000+. iirc most motherboards supported the 6000+ but required a bios update to support the 6400+, and as mentioned earlier a bios update may be an issue for you
    
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post #7 of 17
Yea, if he has an X2 4200+ his computer is pretty old, meaning his BIOS is very likely to be a version before the release of the Phenom CPU's.

To the original poster: You would need to flash your motherboard's BIOS to the newest version if you bought the X2 7750BE. If you don't flash your BIOS, your motherboard will not know how to handle the X2 7750BE and won't even start. Since it's an HP, you probably cannot even get into the BIOS to flash it. So unfortunately the X2 7750BE probably will not work with your system.

However, the X2 6000+ should work no problem. And at 3.1GHz, it will be a noticeable improvement over your X2 4200+ at 2.2GHz. So I say go for it! At $61 you'll get pretty good bang for the buck, and can probably increase your Crysis settings a little bit or enjoy more FPS on your current settings.

However, upgrading the CPU usually only gives 0-35% performance increase. Upgrading the GPU can give far better performance increases. If you really want to max out Crysis you'll need a GPU that's more powerful than the 8800GT. But that will also be far more expensive than $61, and the 8800GT is still a great GPU. The X2 6000+ should tide you over for another 6-18 months, at which time you'll probably be considering a brand new build. And when that time comes, don't get an HP! Come back here and ask us to help you make a build. We'll hook you up for whatever your budget is!
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Your mobo has a really old northbridge (nForce4), I'm not sure if even a BIOS update will make it compatible with the Phenom/Phenom2-based procs. I also doubt that mobo will allow you to overclock to justify hunting for a Black Edition. That 6000+ is about as high as you can go without risking incompatibility.

I had a fantastic time overclocking my old Brisbane on an Epox nForce4 though. You might want to try overclocking on that ECS (if it's possible) before you retire your 4200+.
Edited by arkheii - 12/26/08 at 10:51am
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post #9 of 17
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thanks guys, i just bought the x2 6000
thx for the kind advice!
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post #10 of 17
I also went for the x2 6000 recently and the step up was simply amazing. Things move alot faster even though i only have <2GB left of space on my hard drive.
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