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What do you guys know about the Black Water Ice 480GTX and the "roomy" Thermaltake Armor + that "can't" fit this inside of the case?

I'm getting the case regardless, but I just need some opinions on this Reservoir that I was told from a guide a member made on this website is the best.

2nd Question:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=21424


I'm impressed with the way that this is designed. It's so convenient, and it gives me all my controls at the front of the tower. What else can I ask for?

But.. I've yet to find decent reviews about it, or, find anyone on this forum that has used it.

Can anyone shed some light on it?






this is something I would be interested in, if the gtx 480 is the way to go.

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I think that for the price listed you can do better. Front panel temp monitors are not expensive. The pump in that thing is questionable and the reservoir size is small.
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that koolance pump res is crap

pick up a D5/655 and a different res
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I just got off the Phone with FrozenCPU, they told me otherwise, and that RP1000 was pro gaming ****.

I knew I should of made this post first to get second opinions.

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Originally Posted by LiquidForce View Post
that koolance pump res is crap

pick up a D5/655 and a different res
Well that is kind of what I was saying, I was just trying to be nice about it

Re. FrozenCPU telling you that. They are a business, their interest is in moving product, not giving you the best possible advice on a build. Also it is likely the guy on the phone did not know any better anyhow.
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OK - No Offense to anyone - and I am not a Koolance Fanboy.
(now that, that's out of the way)

The RP-1000 is a fine unit. The only thing in question is the price. It uses the standard DDC 3.2 (Liang) pump. I use one to cool a Xbox360. Plenty of flow from the unit - water moves! (low restriction)
Anyway my two issues with the unit are as follows:
Liang suggest not to mount the Pump upside down.
In the RP-1000 it is indeed mounted upside down. Reason why not to mount upside down, you ask - well becuase air can get trapped under the impeller as it floats inside the cavity. (ever have one apart - you will know what I mean)
Second is the use of 90's That can really hamper flow - especially if you are using restrictive blocks. But for a CPU only loop - your probably ok as there is not real measurable performance gain above 1.5gpm (per our Great Martinm210's tested)


Now arguably the price: Cheaper to buy Directly from Koolance! But If you were to price out a Res - Pump - 3 Temp Sensors LCD's - Fan Controller (3fans) then you would be at about the same price, so it can be considered a good deal - just dependent upon what you want to do with it and the space you have available.

For MUCH more bang for your buck & power you can go DDC with the XSPC Res top - and have a Power HOUSE!

Anyway - just giving food for thought since I own one.

Have fun and post pics when you start your build! I love pics!

Here is a Pic of the internals!

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Koolance has a bad rap because it use to be complete and utter crap, ranging from cracked and defective parts to galvanic corrosion due to the GENIUS engineer decision of mixing copper with aluminum. They have however gotten much better in the last couple of years, but with companies like EK, XSPC, Swiftech, and D-Tek, why bother?
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OK - No Offense to anyone - and I am not a Koolance Fanboy.
(now that, that's out of the way)

The RP-1000 is a fine unit. The only thing in question is the price. It uses the standard DDC 3.2 (Liang) pump. I use one to cool a Xbox360. Plenty of flow from the unit - water moves! (low restriction)
Anyway my two issues with the unit are as follows:
Liang suggest not to mount the Pump upside down.
In the RP-1000 it is indeed mounted upside down. Reason why not to mount upside down, you ask - well becuase air can get trapped under the impeller as it floats inside the cavity. (ever have one apart - you will know what I mean)
Second is the use of 90's That can really hamper flow - especially if you are using restrictive blocks. But for a CPU only loop - your probably ok as there is not real measurable performance gain above 1.5gpm (per our Great Martinm210's tested)


Now arguably the price: Cheaper to buy Directly from Koolance! But If you were to price out a Res - Pump - 3 Temp Sensors LCD's - Fan Controller (3fans) then you would be at about the same price, so it can be considered a good deal - just dependent upon what you want to do with it and the space you have available.
it may "work" but that doesnt mean it was designed or build well, yet alone perform better than the cheaper competition

as OC'ing said, there is no need to buy this with the much better companies out there
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OC_RoB View Post
OK - No Offense to anyone - and I am not a Koolance Fanboy.
(now that, that's out of the way)

The RP-1000 is a fine unit. The only thing in question is the price. It uses the standard DDC 3.2 (Liang) pump. I use one to cool a Xbox360. Plenty of flow from the unit - water moves! (low restriction)
Anyway my two issues with the unit are as follows:
Liang suggest not to mount the Pump upside down.
In the RP-1000 it is indeed mounted upside down. Reason why not to mount upside down, you ask - well becuase air can get trapped under the impeller as it floats inside the cavity. (ever have one apart - you will know what I mean)
Second is the use of 90's That can really hamper flow - especially if you are using restrictive blocks. But for a CPU only loop - your probably ok as there is not real measurable performance gain above 1.5gpm (per our Great Martinm210's tested)


Now arguably the price: Cheaper to buy Directly from Koolance! But If you were to price out a Res - Pump - 3 Temp Sensors LCD's - Fan Controller (3fans) then you would be at about the same price, so it can be considered a good deal - just dependent upon what you want to do with it and the space you have available.

For MUCH more bang for your buck & power you can go DDC with the XSPC Res top - and have a Power HOUSE!

Anyway - just giving food for thought since I own one.

Have fun and post pics when you start your build! I love pics!

Here is a Pic of the internals!
You say it is a fine unit and that the only thing you question is price. Yet as you clearly point out, they mount the pump in a manner that the manufacturer advises against. While this might seem to be trivial, to me it shows a general lack of knowledge of their own components.
What they do seem to concentrate on (along with zalman and coolermaster, etc) is appearances. They make products that 'look good' and are as profitable as possible. I doubt they care one bit if their products perform so long as their marketing people can keep the sales up.
The bottom line is that they ARE crap compared to what you could build for yourself for the same money. Actually they are CRAP compared to what you can build yourself for LESS money.
Their target customer base are the uninformed and those who only care what their computer looks like. ie. people who should not be water cooling in the first place.
Edited by nub - 12/27/08 at 5:41pm
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