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It's the (UN) Designs Absolute Pump Bracket with the Z-Bracket attached.
Ah, that's what I thought it was.
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Hi guys. I'm looking for ways to improve my case on the matter of air cooling so i would like to ask some questions:

-Are there any CFM specifications as to the included Case Fans (2xTop/Front/Rear)?

-Also can they be changed with ones with higher RPMs for greater performance?

-I keep my side panels open, meaning they're not attached. Does this mean that the system runs even hotter, especially now in the summer when room temperature runs hot?

-And finally is there any diagram that shows the direction of the air flow for each fanning placement?
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Hi guys. I'm looking for ways to improve my case on the matter of air cooling so i would like to ask some questions:

-Are there any CFM specifications as to the included Case Fans (2xTop/Front/Rear)?
http://www.sundialmicro.com/cooler_m...2130_1766.html

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-Also can they be changed with ones with higher RPMs for greater performance?
Very hard to find 230mm fans like that. You can use 200mm fans with the same hole spacing, but they won't push more air. If you want LED fans for looks you could check out 200mm Xigmatek fans (Blackline, Blueline etc for your colour preference)

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-I keep my side panels open, meaning they're not attached. Does this mean that the system runs even hotter, especially now in the summer when room temperature runs hot?
With the side panels off your system should run cooler, as it's easier for the fans to suck in fresh air (rather than already warmed up air from your system, this is especially true for the cpu cooler). Higher ambient temperatures mean higher temperatures for your system, but you can never get below ambient so it's not like you should put on the side panels or not depending on the weather.
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Ok so it's 150CFM. Any information as to the rear 120mm stock fan? I cant seem to find anything about it. I dont even know it's product name.


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Very hard to find 230mm fans like that. You can use 200mm fans with the same hole spacing, but they won't push more air. If you want LED fans for looks you could check out 200mm Xigmatek fans (Blackline, Blueline etc for your colour preference)
I dont really care about looks. I think it shows by not even having the side panels on! I just thought that if higher RPM 230mm fans existed, things could go better. Since the default ones run at 900rpm.

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With the side panels off your system should run cooler, as it's easier for the fans to suck in fresh air (rather than already warmed up air from your system, this is especially true for the cpu cooler). Higher ambient temperatures mean higher temperatures for your system, but you can never get below ambient so it's not like you should put on the side panels or not depending on the weather.
Hmm, and here i was thinking i was doing something wrong. I only have them off since they cant close properly cause the cables are thick and all over the place.

So as for the airflow direction any word? Are they supposed to take the air out, or in? I think the top and the rear forces air out, but the one in front of the HDD cages, how is it supposed to force air out with the thick metal plate in front of it?
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I don't think there are any higher RPM 230mm fans. It's a pretty odd size.

The front 230mm fan is supposed to be an intake. If you don't care about looks, might as well take off the metal plate in front of it then?
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There is a 900 RPM/150 CFM 230mm fan, the one used on the Cosmos S. It is hard to find though.
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Any information as to the rear 120mm stock fan? I cant seem to find anything about it. I dont even know it's product name.
I sold the one I had to a schoolmate but I do have an identical unit from my bro's CM690; AVADirect lists these specs for it:

Speed: 1200 RPM
Airflow: 44.03 CFM
Noise: 19.8 dBA
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There is a 900 RPM/150 CFM 230mm fan, the one used on the Cosmos S. It is hard to find though.
You mean it has the same specs as the 840? Cause this one runs on 900 as well. so they're exactly the same.

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I sold the one I had to a schoolmate but I do have an identical unit from my bro's CM690; AVADirect lists these specs for it:

Speed: 1200 RPM
Airflow: 44.03 CFM
Noise: 19.8 dBA
Thank You now i have a complete picture of all the stock parts.

So basically since it's 120 it can be easily be changed with an S-Flex SFF21G like the ones i have on the other places, but the sound gets unbearable after 1200 rpm...

At 1.8-1.9k it sounds like a jet engine.

BTW I've even installed that strange tube cabin at the back of the pci slots. IS that supposed to take the heat generated by the gpu out? I dont feel like it's making much of a job. Then again maybe it is that i have the case open and it negates the fact that i use all these fans.

Basically i'm just fishing for tips on here on how to maximize my airflow.

Got any tips for me?
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Do you have a fan controller? (Benifit: 4-6 temp gauges!)
Cooling is essentially a trial&error exercise.
But there are some basic (physics) laws.

The very first one is:
In an open case there is no airflow!!!!! Device temperature can only be achieved by direct airmovement to/from the component.

In a closed case:
Layout a basic cooling strategy BEFORE assembly. Where to locate components to benefit most from the air circulation that can be achieved (theoretically).
Then it is becomes a question of experimenting. Check temperatures at many components and places. Then start changing fan speeds and watch temps change (or not). Reversing air direction can also lead to some surprising results.
This is a very time consuming exercise, which remains tolerable if you approach it methodically.

That the PCI fan box doesn't do great things should be fairly obvious:
1. most of the opening area is blocked by sheet metal
2. the air needs to move around the corner.
Which in an open case results in zero benefit.

You would have to reverse your approach.
Your approach: remove as much warm air.
Better approach: supply as much fresh air to the graphics card(s), and use the rear fan box to help remove the air.

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You mean it has the same specs as the 840? Cause this one runs on 900 as well. so they're exactly the same.
They do? According to the specs these 230mm fans do 700 RPM/110 CFM/19 DBA.
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