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If I understand you, the holes in your tray are smaller than the standoffs you have access to. Sounds like a $5 tap will solve your problem. Even here in EU getting a SAE tap for numbered screw sizes is a standard hardware store item.
     
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post #3222 of 4392
Is it possible that the previous owner (a.k. clown) rethreaded the holes for M3, which LianLi loves to use???

Edit: oh well. not winning any prizes for speed today....
Edited by mru - 1/19/11 at 2:37am
     
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Well it seems like whoever had it before stripped the holes and didn't tell anyone about it... bah. Can you get detailed photos of the standoff holes?
No, I don't think they are stripped since they are smaller than the "normal". It looks like the holes are factory-made.

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Originally Posted by ttoadd.nz View Post
I have 8 extra standoffs sitting on my desk, I'd be happy to send them to you if u pay for shipping.

Edit: oh dw i just read the rest of your posts... stripped threads?

Edit2: Have you thought about asking a shop to weld them on or something?

Edit3: I have compared the standoffs I have with the pics you posted, they dont match any of them. The thread looks very similar to an optical drive bay screw.
Damn. Thanks for the effort though. They said the same thing at the retailers I visited. Complete w t f.

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Originally Posted by ZeusBoltThrower View Post
If I understand you, the holes in your tray are smaller than the standoffs you have access to. Sounds like a $5 tap will solve your problem. Even here in EU getting a SAE tap for numbered screw sizes is a standard hardware store item.
Yes, they are smaller. Could you explain, I am not quite understanding what you mean by "tap"?

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Originally Posted by mru View Post
Is it possible that the previous owner (a.k. clown) rethreaded the holes for M3, which LianLi loves to use???

Edit: oh well. not winning any prizes for speed today....
M3? Is that the name of the thread?

*does ebay search for M3 standoff*

AHA!

This looks very much like what it should, I believe.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/25-x-M3-10mm-H...#ht_500wt_1156

So...why the frakk does my motherboard tray have M3 holes?!

Could somebody measure the length of the standoffs you have? (the hexagonal part)
Is it 10mm? Do you guys also have tray-edges that curve toward the motherboard-side?

EDIT: Sorry about the separate posts. Lesson learned, just so excited to finally maybe find a solution to this mess.

EDIT2: Wow, a search here and I found this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by mobius9 View Post
Don't have a board to test, but the ones screwed into the spare tray I got from CM are:

12mm shaft, M3 thread. They have them in SS and aluminum here -

http://www.mcmaster.com/#spacers-and-standoffs/=a1y5w3
So...I am not alone in the universe then? What is the "standard" thread name then?
Edited by Inq - 1/19/11 at 3:13am
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Use edit, don't quad-post :3
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What do you mena by "What is the "standard" thread name then?"???
Normally the screws on PCs are "UNC 6-32".

Edit
Looking at the McMasters Link: look at the male-female stand-offs. The offer different sizes. Pay attention to the "male" screw size! You will find the standard 6-32, and way to the right M3, M4, etc...

And oh BTW! use Brass, not Stainless Steel.
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What do you mena by "What is the "standard" thread name then?"???
Normally the screws on PCs are "UNC 6-32".

Edit
Looking at the McMasters Link: look at the male-female stand-offs. The offer different sizes. Pay attention to the "male" screw size! You will find the standard 6-32, and way to the right M3, M4, etc...

And oh BTW! use Brass, not Stainless Steel.
Ok, so the ones usually used, the ones to the left in my picture, are UNC 6/32 while the ones I am looking for are M3. Got it. Thanks.

Just want to make sure that I get the right ones now that I know what I am looking for. Kinda.

Hoping 10mm will be close enough, I think the ones you guys have are 12mm right? Hopefully it will not affect the pci-card slot or coverplate fit. What do you guys think? Will 10mm M3 be ok?

Why is brass better btw? Thermal properties?
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What do you mena by "What is the "standard" thread name then?"???
Normally the screws on PCs are "UNC 6/32".
"Standard" refers to the American standard, such as national coarse, or UNC. #6-32 is an American designation. The taps are available anywhere in the world was my point. Also, the ATCS 840 has a potpourri of UNC and M bolts. I replaced all of mine with button heads, so I speak on good authority. Compare the screws on the back of the case holding the knockout plates to the screws that hold the upper valance in place, then compare those both to the screws for the bezel. All different.

By "tap" I mean use a hand tap to cut new threads. If a hole in punched sheet like your motherboard tray is smaller than the size that you wish, it is as simple as running a tap through it to cut the threads. My bet is that you found M2.5 holes, you can ream and rethread those holes to #6-32 in a single step with a hand tap, then use the fistfull of standoffs that you already have.
     
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Zeus is right...in general.
I thought you had said that the M3 screws (right one in your photo) fit the tray....

(if you are very careful you can re-thread M3 holes to UNC6-32 with a tap)

Brass is used, because it is cheap! The SS one cost 6.xx each if I saw that correctly...

Get the 10mm. If you are missing height add a small washer between tray and stand-off. If that is still not enough, use a second one between stand-off and mobo. But for the sake of your mobo, use insulating ones under the mobo!
     
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Zeus is right...in general.
I thought you had said that the M3 screws (right one in your photo) fit the tray....
Yes, they fit, but I am worried about the height since the tray has bent edges at the HSF access hole which stick out towards the motherboard. Even if I had 7 more of the standoffs on the right I would be very VERY careful because I think the edge would touch the motherboard. I am also concerned that the coverplate and PCI-slots will not line up heightwise if I don't have the right height standoffs.

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(if you are very careful you can re-thread M3 holes to UNC6-32 with a tap)

Brass is used, because it is cheap! The SS one cost 6.xx each if I saw that correctly...

Get the 10mm. If you are missing height add a small washer between tray and stand-off. If that is still not enough, use a second one between stand-off and mobo. But for the sake of your mobo, use insulating ones under the mobo!
Yeah, I've never done it before so I would be worried about ruining the tray. :/

The eBay link I posted has M3 10mm ones for much less. Will probably order there. Thanks for the advice about the washers, hadn't considered that, and will be careful on the motherboard side.

Once I get the standoffs, I will post a build-log here. Thank you everyone! Rep+!
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Came late to this discussion.

Most of my cases use the SAE thread standoffs, but the Lian Li uses M3. It's the only aluminum case I have.

Sounds like the finer threads are going into the softer metal. Makes sense, in a way. My father, an engineer educated long ago, took it for granted that finer threads made a stronger bond.
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