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Hello everyone! smile.gif

I've had the ATCS 840 for about a year, and I've loved it (it is literally twice the volume of my previous mid tower).

I was wondering if anyone has put caster wheels on this case? My case is sitting between my desk and the wall, so its always a pita to drag it out, and its starting to leave rubber marks on the hardwood floor.

Here's a poor-quality pic:
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I also plan on going full water cooling in the somewhat-near future, are there any recommendations for configurations? Can a normal 360mm rad fit in the top just fine, or is an adapter needed? I was thinking a 360 up top with a 240 behind the hard drive cage.
post #3952 of 4392
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Originally Posted by jetpak12 View Post

I was wondering if anyone has put caster wheels on this case? My case is sitting between my desk and the wall, so its always a pita to drag it out, and its starting to leave rubber marks on the hardwood floor.

Haven't done it yet but have thought about it Or just taller feet to get better airflow. You have a tight space between desk and wall, unless you have the room to move the desk right. As it is the casters would have to be within the outline of the case. So that would rule out a caster computer stand that the computer sits in like a saddle. The screws in those feet are pretty small. If you get casters with a threaded stud it is likely to be bigger and you'd have to drill out and re-tap the steel plates inside the case. I'd feel better with a bigger threaded attachment. Assuming you have the tools and know how I'm a little uncomfortable with metal fragments from drilling flying around inside a case with electronic components installed.

An alternative that's easier might be to screw plate mount casters to the bottom of a plywood platform the case sits on.

You'll want non marking casters for a hard wood floor. Not sure if I'd want fixed or swiveling.
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post #3953 of 4392
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Originally Posted by jetpak12 View Post

Hello everyone! smile.gif
I've had the ATCS 840 for about a year, and I've loved it (it is literally twice the volume of my previous mid tower).
I was wondering if anyone has put caster wheels on this case? My case is sitting between my desk and the wall, so its always a pita to drag it out, and its starting to leave rubber marks on the hardwood floor.
Here's a poor-quality pic:
700
I also plan on going full water cooling in the somewhat-near future, are there any recommendations for configurations? Can a normal 360mm rad fit in the top just fine, or is an adapter needed? I was thinking a 360 up top with a 240 behind the hard drive cage.

You need the brackets that came with the case to mount 120mm fans in the top. Other then that it's good to go. You have a ton of space up top. I think the total is around 110mm for rad and fans, so even a full size 54mm thick like the HWLabs GTX360 with 25mm Push pull will work.

a 240 will fit on the hard drive cage, but if you plan on not modding anything the bottom part of the rad must not extend more then 1.5mm (0,59") from the lower fan holes. See picture under:

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If you take a look at my build log in my sig you can see how much rad you can fit in this case. I have a 360 in the top, 360 on the harddrive cages extending up into the 5.25" bays and a 120mm in the back. I have cut out a piece of the bottom to make room for a larger radiator then what i described above. Depending on your cards you should have plenty of space for a rad + Push-Pull on the harddrive cage as well.
post #3954 of 4392
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Haven't done it yet but have thought about it Or just taller feet to get better airflow. You have a tight space between desk and wall, unless you have the room to move the desk right. As it is the casters would have to be within the outline of the case. So that would rule out a caster computer stand that the computer sits in like a saddle. The screws in those feet are pretty small. If you get casters with a threaded stud it is likely to be bigger and you'd have to drill out and re-tap the steel plates inside the case. I'd feel better with a bigger threaded attachment. Assuming you have the tools and know how I'm a little uncomfortable with metal fragments from drilling flying around inside a case with electronic components installed.
An alternative that's easier might be to screw plate mount casters to the bottom of a plywood platform the case sits on.
You'll want non marking casters for a hard wood floor. Not sure if I'd want fixed or swiveling.

I actually have a pretty massive desk, and a small room to put it in. The desk is about five feet wide to hold three 23" monitors in landscape, and the room itself is only about six feet wide. There is a little space (2-3") to the left of the case, so I should be able to have room for a set of casters. I guess I'll just head out to Home Depot to see what they have. And a little drilling doesn't scare me. wink.gif

Oh, and I'd be doing it with most of my parts out too, I'm getting a new motherboard and processor soon and I'll need to do a swap out anyway.

And I'm thinking two straight casters in the back, and two in the front, that way I can angle it into the "slot" its in. I think that should work... thinking.gif
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You need the brackets that came with the case to mount 120mm fans in the top. Other then that it's good to go. You have a ton of space up top. I think the total is around 110mm for rad and fans, so even a full size 54mm thick like the HWLabs GTX360 with 25mm Push pull will work.
a 240 will fit on the hard drive cage, but if you plan on not modding anything the bottom part of the rad must not extend more then 1.5mm (0,59") from the lower fan holes. See picture under:
*snip*
If you take a look at my build log in my sig you can see how much rad you can fit in this case. I have a 360 in the top, 360 on the harddrive cages extending up into the 5.25" bays and a 120mm in the back. I have cut out a piece of the bottom to make room for a larger radiator then what i described above. Depending on your cards you should have plenty of space for a rad + Push-Pull on the harddrive cage as well.

Ok, I'm sure I have that bracket you mentioned, I'll just need to go looking for it. rolleyes.gif Thanks for the good info though! So how are you temps with your rad setup? At most I will have two 6970s in crossfire, but I'll definitely consider putting two 360mm rads in when it comes to purchase time.

And I feel like I've seen that build before, I might have come across it in the past. thinking.gif I know I've seen at least one person here on OCN with a rad on the back of the hard drive cage in an ATCS that gave me the idea.

I'm hoping that once I get casters on the bottom, it'll make dealing with a WC loop a little easier, given the space restrictions I have.
post #3955 of 4392
If you don't have the bracket I have a spare set.

I like these (have them on my vinyl cutter:

http://www.harborfreight.com/2-inch-clear-polyurethane-swivel-caster-65184.html

You will have to drill the feet holes bigger on the bottom of the chassis, but you won't have to tap them. It should be very easy. You may have to trim down the bolts, or space them off the bottom if you have a bottom mounted PSU


Easier way would be an antec lanboard.
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If you don't have the bracket I have a spare set.
I like these (have them on my vinyl cutter:
http://www.harborfreight.com/2-inch-clear-polyurethane-swivel-caster-65184.html
You will have to drill the feet holes bigger on the bottom of the chassis, but you won't have to tap them. It should be very easy. You may have to trim down the bolts, or space them off the bottom if you have a bottom mounted PSU
Easier way would be an antec lanboard.

Thanks for the offer, although I should have one, since I got my case new off newegg.

And good suggestion with the PSU, I forgot I'd have to deal with that. I'm liking the look of the lanboard, and not too expensive considering the hassle of doing it myself. I'll do some research into it. thumb.gif
post #3957 of 4392
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Originally Posted by mobius9 View Post

I like these (have them on my vinyl cutter:
http://www.harborfreight.com/2-inch-clear-polyurethane-swivel-caster-65184.html
You will have to drill the feet holes bigger on the bottom of the chassis, but you won't have to tap them.

Those casters look good and will give a lot more clearance off the floor. All your airflow for the bottom intake and the PSU has to come from the front... you're not going to get any from sides or back.

If you use the existing holes for the case feet the swivel caster at 180 deg will be 3/4" outside the case. There is another hole in the plate 1/2" inboard and you could use that one... with the added benefit of being able to put the stock feet back on.

I'm not sure though. mobius9, how you do this without tapping (i.e. with just a larger clearance hole) unless you use a nut and washer on the inside of the plate. Looks like 1 1/4" clearance for that under the lowest drive in the front bay. But more of a problem under the PSU. Assuming it fits and doesn't interfere with the intake screen, you'd have to remove the PSU if you wanted to remove the caster.

Specs don't give the stem size. Looks like 1/4-20 or 5/16-18. Both common sizes to get the proper size drill and tap.

Antec Lanboard looks easy. It's 3/4" wider than case but if you've got 3-4" play with desk that's OK. If you center it front to back it will block part of your PSU air intake. If you put it way up front it looks like it will block very little of the PSU air intake. Front feet would be on the Lanboard so you'd have to shim at the back of the Lanboard to keep the case level. And you might have issues with the filter screen under the center bottom air intake. You certainly will if you remove the case feet.

All in all I'm liking casters.
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I actually have a pretty massive desk, and a small room to put it in. The desk is about five feet wide to hold three 23" monitors in landscape, and the room itself is only about six feet wide. There is a little space (2-3") to the left of the case, so I should be able to have room for a set of casters. I guess I'll just head out to Home Depot to see what they have. And a little drilling doesn't scare me. wink.gif
Oh, and I'd be doing it with most of my parts out too, I'm getting a new motherboard and processor soon and I'll need to do a swap out anyway.
And I'm thinking two straight casters in the back, and two in the front, that way I can angle it into the "slot" its in. I think that should work... thinking.gif
Ok, I'm sure I have that bracket you mentioned, I'll just need to go looking for it. rolleyes.gif Thanks for the good info though! So how are you temps with your rad setup? At most I will have two 6970s in crossfire, but I'll definitely consider putting two 360mm rads in when it comes to purchase time.
And I feel like I've seen that build before, I might have come across it in the past. thinking.gif I know I've seen at least one person here on OCN with a rad on the back of the hard drive cage in an ATCS that gave me the idea.
I'm hoping that once I get casters on the bottom, it'll make dealing with a WC loop a little easier, given the space restrictions I have.

My water under load is about 5~ above ambient. When i benchmark i turn the gpus up to 1.3v + 20% PT and the cpu ~1.60v. All of this dumps quite a lot more heat into the loop so i usually see ~7-10c while benchmarking (No problem considering that i'm benching with my computer under a wide open window with -10c outside)
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I'm not sure though. mobius9, how you do this without tapping (i.e. with just a larger clearance hole) unless you use a nut and washer on the inside of the plate. Looks like 1 1/4" clearance for that under the lowest drive in the front bay. But more of a problem under the PSU. Assuming it fits and doesn't interfere with the intake screen, you'd have to remove the PSU if you wanted to remove the caster.

If you are interested in the spec I can take measurements as I have them already. They are made for panel mounting, so the under side has the ball bearing collar, the top side has a nut. In the picture the nut is screwed all the way in... not sure why they took the pic that way... hopefully that made sense tongue.gif
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If you are interested in the spec I can take measurements as I have them already. They are made for panel mounting, so the under side has the ball bearing collar, the top side has a nut. In the picture the nut is screwed all the way in... not sure why they took the pic that way... hopefully that made sense tongue.gif

Hey thanks for offering to do that, but don't make a special effort just yet. If I decide to do it I'll get back to you. Pic is a little unclear. I thought it was a nut shaped part of the casting that the stud was threaded into. But actually you don't even need another nut, just take this one off, slip the stud through the drilled out plate and put the nut back on (a washer would be nice). I sometimes replace with a nut that has a nylon locking insert and skip the washer.

But that still leaves the same problem about clearance for the nut on top of the plate. Front looks OK, rear not so sure. But definitely less work than tapping especially if you don't have the proper size. (I happen to have a pretty complete set of taps, dies, drills, tap wrenches, etc.)

Either way, I'd have to uninstall my PSU, disconnect the cables, turn the case on it's side to drill the plates out, and risk metal fragments getting into components. So I'll put it on the list of future mods... when I have more reason to pull components out.

I have done metal cutting with components in place, BTW. The computer that this build will replace had the PSU die a year or so ago. It was not an ATX standard mounting space (or the replacement PSU wasn't standard) so I had to do some cutting (Dremel and jewelers saw) of the steel case for the switch and power connector and drill a couple of mounting holes. I first cut pieces of heavy paper and used masking tape to seal all components off from the operation and put a shop-vac nozzle next to the cutting/drilling. Once it was all done I vacuumed every bit of metal I could see. Then did it again before removing the tape and paper. But it was a "this works or I buy a new computer" kind of thing. Not anxious to do that with a few thousand $ worth of new components.
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