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Originally Posted by Darkapoc;11947050 
Play some double bass see how well they keep up play some bass music and then some full range low frequency music and get a feel for how the sub reacts to each condition all of that averaged is how good the sub is.
Audio is all preference though, you could end up liking many different types of subs(which is why I have a plethora of boxes and subs lying around my house.)


Every other sub I've ever heard double bass on aside from the dd10 and uld 18 would gurgle out. I didn't notice it at as much the time, but after getting used to my uld 18, subs like my old Rockford fosgate sound like complete garbage now. Funny thing is, I gave my Rockford fosgate in a dual 12 inch pro bend bandpass to my DJ friend for some broken advents I fixed up. He took them to a house party and cranked them up so high that I could literally hear the voice coils rubbing against the motor structure. Everyone at the party though it was the best bass they've ever heard. This is why I can't take other peoples opinions in general 99% of people think a logitech z5500 sub sounds amazing, I've always thought it sounds like garbage.


What I need to do is actually be able to audition subs and drivers. I'd want to stack up polks super high end up against mine against AR, against klipsch, against focal, against gallo, against paradigm, against the maelstrom 18 against the tc sounds against Dayton against BIC america against energy and the list just goes on and on. I know of all these subs on the Internet, I've ne'er heard them with my own ears is the problem.

How am I supposed to know which subs beat out the velodyne dd 18 for if my uld 18 dies on me?
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Audiophile forums tongue.gif.
I've gotten most of my experience from installing stereos at the shop.
and fosgate has always had pretty bad SQ elemental designs and aura are pretty decent mid range subs for car audio.

Though I've still yet to try out the titanic mkIII I've heard a LOT of positive feedback from it though.

Most people are just generally idiots when it comes to audio, like those who think dual is a great company.
You tube actually can get you a lot of info about drivers though.
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post #1773 of 3859
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Originally Posted by ljason8eg;11945378 
I'd spend a little more and get the Dayton SUB-100 or SUB-120 for a budget sub.

I'll second this. The Dayton SUB100 and SUB120 are hands down the best subs under $150. If you can afford it, get the 12". If you can't, get the 10". Those PSW10's are honestly pretty trashy. They're okay. Definitely a step up from Logicrap...but they're FAR from being decent.

The Dayton subs are definitely GREAT budget subwoofers though, and you won't go wrong picking one up.
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Originally Posted by coreyL;11946836 
http://www.bestbuypcs.com/velodyne-dd10-home-theater-subwoofers-best-price.html?___store=default&ovchn=FRO&ovcpn=Froogle&ovcrn=DD10&ovtac=organic

how does that dayton sub stack up compaired to this?

like really, the only subs ive heard are: ghetto rap bass subs, logitech z2300 sub, bose subs, logitech z5500 sub, my rockford fosgate 12" dual subs i gave away, my mtx 12" garbage sub, and my velodyne ULD 18 (same exact acoustical specs as a velodyne DD-18)

so as you can see, all iv'e ever heard was:

garbage, garbage, more garbage, and yet some more garbage




then 2 good subwoofers ever.

you see the problem here? there ARE NO FREAKING PLACES TO AUDITION HIFI AUDIO ANYMORE. its bull crap


so yeah... how do i even know if what i hear is a good sub? do i just compair it to the velodyne DD-10 and DD-18? serious question here, because every other sub i hear now sounds like complete garbage.

All I saw on that long list was garbage. You listed one decent sub, and that's your Velodyne. And even then, it has little to no excursion, so it doesn't have much output for being an 18".

And why would compare a $100 subwoofer to a $2000 subwoofer? Seriously. Apples to oranges much? Velodyne makes great equipment, but they are FAR too obsessed with THD figures, as it appears you are too. You do realize a volume control was invented for a reason wink.gif. Turn the volume on the Logicraps down...viola!! No more distortion!!!! Still have crappy sound though.
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Seriously you guys gotta quit complaining about the tang band subs go buy one they're like 90 dollars and design a GOOD box for it and put a nice amp to it. lol
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post #1775 of 3859
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;11953776 
I'll second this. The Dayton SUB100 and SUB120 are hands down the best subs under $150. If you can afford it, get the 12". If you can't, get the 10". Those PSW10's are honestly pretty trashy. They're okay. Definitely a step up from Logicrap...but they're FAR from being decent.

The Dayton subs are definitely GREAT budget subwoofers though, and you won't go wrong picking one up.



All I saw on that long list was garbage. You listed one decent sub, and that's your Velodyne. And even then, it has little to no excursion, so it doesn't have much output for being an 18".

And why would compare a $100 subwoofer to a $2000 subwoofer? Seriously. Apples to oranges much? Velodyne makes great equipment, but they are FAR too obsessed with THD figures, as it appears you are too. You do realize a volume control was invented for a reason wink.gif. Turn the volume on the Logicraps down...viola!! No more distortion!!!! Still have crappy sound though.


does the side woofer from an anthony gallo 3.1 system count? with EQ drive on, they claim to get down to 22htz but do not list any THD figures or decibels. they dound pretty damn good though.

Gallo_6.jpg


anyway, i got a new shot of my bx5a's on top of my rackmount stuff

img1093i.jpg

img1094fn.jpg

he speakers equipment here is:

the velodyne uld 18 in the corner
the NAD T751 receiver can not be seen under the servo amp
Velodyne ULD 400 watt RMS ULD series II power servo amplifier
M-Audio BX5A studio monitors
Anthony Gallo nucleus speaker
V-MODA Crossfade LP headphones
Sennheiser CX6 IEM


anyway how is it my fault all ive heard aside from a few select speakers are garbage? if i had the money, i'd buy an 18 inch tc sounds driver and stick it in my sub box and re finish it. and why are you obsessed with exursion?

104db at 20 htz isnt good enough for you? are you trying to go deaf?
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Let's stay on topic smile.gif
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wow, just got up and half a page is gone! eek.gif LOL


Re Subs, I haven't personally heard the Dayton drivers either but have heard some good information about them. I have never ever been impressed with Rockford subs. Their older amps were pretty bulletproof and had decent SQ, but I am convinced that the older zebra style Kicker amps were the best sounding commonly found car audio amps available. I still have a couple of them as they too are pretty bullet proof.

Speaking of Tang Band... they make some great full range drivers. Lets see some more full range single driver speakers. I was leery about them at first... I mean how can a single driver sound as good as or better than a dedicated woofer and a tweeter? There's just something that sounds right with minimal electronics in the signal path and no crossover to mess with sound. Add a small SET amp and you'll be singing along biggrin.gif
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I love RE audio everyone moved onto Fi which is from one of the makers of RE who moved over there but now RE is being jap made so its kinda going downhill.

I plan on putting my Power Bass xl-652m in a box here soon if I can find the accurate specs on the darn things >,< even the company has NO listed specs on them I even called to confirm this, the drivers themselves are INSANELY responsive though.
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I love RE audio everyone moved onto Fi which is from one of the makers of RE who moved over there but now RE is being jap made so its kinda going downhill.

I plan on putting my Power Bass xl-652m in a box here soon if I can find the accurate specs on the darn things >,< even the company has NO listed specs on them I even called to confirm this, the drivers themselves are INSANELY responsive though.

They don't even have a data sheet? eek.gif
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Nothing they don't even exist off of sonic electronix as far as the internet is concerned -.-, granted I got them for free from working on a limo bus (shipping error ftw), but since have lost the box for them though the manual only had basic frequency response which is NOT waht I want xD so far only thing I can think of is gettign one of the usb kits to run any driver by hooking it up but don't feel like forking over that kind of cash.
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