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I think you need to go google what 1 octave means .



18Hz - 36Hz = ONE Octave.
18Hz - 45Hz = 1.5 Octaves (most a subwoofer can cleanly produce)
20Hz - 40Hz = ONE Octave
20Hz - 50Hz = 1.5 Octaves
25Hz - 50Hz = ONE Octave
25Hz - 63Hz = 1.5 Octaves

I think your sound engineer friend needs to go back to school to learn the basics .

In that case, I need to figure out how to make the lms ultra push out 120db while being flat and clean hitting under 20 Hz. How much power I need and what to do to the 8.5+ cu ft enclosure.

I wish my Velodyne still worked but infant control that now. I might well build something as good as it for a learning experience.
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i don't get why you keep trying to ask a lot of these questions here still...... its been almost a month if not longer and you haven't got an answer. IMO you would be better off asking them here: http://www.htguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php4?f=1
So you know as far as Internet, pioneerisloud has helped me more than the numerous audio forums ive been to as far as alternative to my broken velodyne. Maybe you shouldn't be ignorant. I'm here to learn.

Drjoey complained that all I talk about is my subwoofer, it's broken, it's a problem. And more importantly, NO ONE has given me any good advice regarding the Marantz AV8003 surround sound pre amp, or the Quad 405 amp, OR the energy RC 50 and if will keep up with a sub as good as my velodyne. OR anything regarding how linear a tube pre amp vs a solid state pre amp would sound even if it's amplified by a $20,000 Conrad Johnson tube amp.

Most of you have been useless, but I'm still going to thank pioneer and the other guy infant remember because I'm on my iPhone right now.
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So you know as far as Internet, pioneerisloud has helped me more than the numerous audio forums ive been to as far as alternative to my broken velodyne. Maybe you shouldn't be ignorant. I'm here to learn.

Drjoey complained that all I talk about is my subwoofer, it's broken, it's a problem. And more importantly, NO ONE has given me any good advice regarding the Marantz AV8003 surround sound pre amp, or the Quad 405 amp, OR the energy RC 50 and if will keep up with a sub as good as my velodyne. OR anything regarding how linear a tube pre amp vs a solid state pre amp would sound even if it's amplified by a $20,000 Conrad Johnson tube amp.

Most of you have been useless, but I'm still going to thank pioneer and the other guy infant remember because I'm on my iPhone right now.
wow you are a douche. i was trying to help point you in a direction towards getting better info on specific audio equipment. i figure that this is more a computer forum and most people here would spend more money towards their computer then high end sound equipment.
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wow you are a douche. i was trying to help point you in a direction towards getting better info on specific audio equipment. i figure that this is more a computer forum and most people here would spend more money towards their computer then high end sound equipment.
I'm used to getting bashed everywhere and treated like a retard, then getting infractions for defending myself on this forum. My bad. I'll check the link out.
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So you know as far as Internet, pioneerisloud has helped me more than the numerous audio forums ive been to as far as alternative to my broken velodyne. Maybe you shouldn't be ignorant. I'm here to learn.

Drjoey complained that all I talk about is my subwoofer, it's broken, it's a problem. And more importantly, NO ONE has given me any good advice regarding the Marantz AV8003 surround sound pre amp, or the Quad 405 amp, OR the energy RC 50 and if will keep up with a sub as good as my velodyne. OR anything regarding how linear a tube pre amp vs a solid state pre amp would sound even if it's amplified by a $20,000 Conrad Johnson tube amp.

Most of you have been useless, but I'm still going to thank pioneer and the other guy infant remember because I'm on my iPhone right now.
Corey. Face it, you're on an overclocking forum and you're asking very specific audio questions. I've told you this before. We'll try to help you but I have no idea about the gear you're talking about. Honestly, most of the help I give is based on what I've read online from different places (OCN not so much). You're going to have to spend a long time researching and reading. Most of what you learn won't come from the replies to your questions. That's kind of the icing on the cake. You'll learn a lot by reading over old threads on places like diyaudio. I don't know what else to tell you. Whenever I consider building something or getting new gear I've spent plenty of hours researching different possibilities, reading endless discussions, tutorials, guides... You can't expect to find specific answers relating to your specific gear all the time. Plus, by the time you figure out the answer to your question you've also learned a lot more whether you realize it or not.

I didn't remember your question about main speakers though, so my bad. TBH though I'd still not worry about a sub until you have the rest figured out. But that is mostly just my opinion. I'd also be wary of tube amps. To overgeneralize SS amps tend to have lower distortion, but like I said, that's an over-generalization.

Like I keep telling you, if you don't get an answer here after a while it's probably because nobody here knows the answer. So please, look how much everyone has been replying and helping you. It's totally uncalled for to call bullcrap when we don't know about the gear you are looking at or you don't get half a dozen experienced speaker designers replying every other day (on an overclocking forum).

Useless? Seriously? Don't insult the people trying to help you or they might just stop replying completely.
Edited by drjoey1500 - 2/13/11 at 11:37pm
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<<< Raises hand

I'm an experienced SUBWOOFER builder . I've been ignoring his SPEAKER questions because I honestly don't know enough about Home Audio to help with it. The only things I know in home audio are budget stuff, and to avoid Logitech (personal experience there too).
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Corey. Face it, you're on an overclocking forum and you're asking very specific audio questions. I've told you this before. We'll try to help you but I have no idea about the gear you're talking about. Honestly, most of the help I give is based on what I've read online from different places (OCN not so much). You're going to have to spend a long time researching and reading. Most of what you learn won't come from the replies to your questions. That's kind of the icing on the cake. You'll learn a lot by reading over old threads on places like diyaudio. I don't know what else to tell you. Whenever I consider building something or getting new gear I've spent plenty of hours researching different possibilities, reading endless discussions, tutorials, guides... You can't expect to find specific answers relating to your specific gear all the time. Plus, by the time you figure out the answer to your question you've also learned a lot more whether you realize it or not.
It's not like I'm only asking questions on ONLY ocn. Every review is biased. Reading reviews is NOT a good way to gain speaker knowledge. Half the reviewers are idiots. I was pissed at the situation and targeting everyone including myself more than anything else. I really hate when the Internet can't teach me something I want to learn. Not only that, but for a long time, since before chat died, more often than not, I'm treated like an idiot when I'm here to learn. Now, I come up with questions that shouldn't even be hard for people who treat me like an idiot for defending my crossfade LP headphones and put words in my mouth who act like they know EVERYTHING... Apparently don't know.

How am I supposed to know if a Conrad Johnson amp, an NAD amp, a Marantz amp, a Mcintosh amp, a Quad amp, or Meridian amp is better?

How am I supposed to know how good studio monitors sound like and how good they are compared to speakers like Focal, Gallo, whaerfdale diamond, Theil, Boston acoustics, AE, B&W, B&O, ATC, Klipsch, PSB... When there's NO PLACE to demo them?

I walk into a starbcks and instantly notice that the speaker drivers are great and am annoyed that I can hear the plastic resonation in the enclosure. If I said that to the barista, I'd get shunned.

I helped set up a concert at my old highschool for a couple DJ friends. We used many mackie speakers and subs. I learned quick that I hate pa speakers for their plastic resonation as well (the reason I hated the Starbucks speakers). The highs are way too sharp, mids are muffled somewhat and bass is overwhelming with serious plastic resonation. The sub's were placed behind two giant cinderblock walls, 2 feet from them. I could hear the acoustical energy of the garbage mackie subs resonate from the wall, and turn the 5,000 ft auditorium behind the stage where the Dance was into a huge distorted bandpass with a lot of delay in bass response because of it.

Everyone at the dance thought it was the best sound system they've ever heard. I thought it was garbage. I hate PA speakers.

Apparently I have more developed hearing because I have mild Aspergers, which is a mild form of autism. I doubt this is true, but more than once it seemed like I could definitely hear under 20Hz. I've heard low notes very loud resonating off of buildings where melany friends could not. This isn't supposed to be humanly possible, so I guess I could be skitso, or their hearing is just garbage.

Anyway, I might have good hearing, but it doesn't help the fact that I will never know good speakers til I listen to them myself. I could spit audiophile brands in your face for hours, this doesn't make them any good.

I also need to get a shop area somewhere and start building enclosures, I need to learn how to make good crossovers, and learn how woofer materials react with other materials like MDF, bamboo, metal, polycarbonate, stones with certain coatings like tar, and other materials. Things like this should be easy to learn but I have no idea where to even start.
Edited by coreyL - 2/14/11 at 12:11am
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I'd help more if he were consistent and could stick to one damn thing, I offered him help if he were to pm me I would gladly assist but reading through 15 plus posts a paragraph long gets annoying when you're a member of multiple OTHER forums.
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It's not like I'm only asking questions on ONLY ocn. Every review is biased. Reading reviews is NOT a good way to gain speaker knowledge. Half the reviewers are idiots. I was pissed at the situation and targeting everyone including myself more than anything else. I really hate when the Internet can't teach me something I want to learn. Not only that, but for a long time, since before chat died, more often than not, I'm treated like an idiot when I'm here to learn. Now, I come up with questions that shouldn't even be hard for people who treat me like an idiot for defending my crossfade LP headphones and put words in my mouth who act like they know EVERYTHING... Apparently don't know.

How am I supposed to know if a Conrad Johnson amp, an NAD amp, a Marantz amp, a Mcintosh amp, a Quad amp, or Meridian amp is better?

How am I supposed to know how good studio monitors sound like and how good they are compared to speakers like Focal, Gallo, whaerfdale diamond, Theil, Boston acoustics, AE, B&W, B&O, ATC, Klipsch, PSB... When there's NO PLACE to demo them?

I walk into a starbcks and instantly notice that the speaker drivers are great and am annoyed that I can hear the plastic resonation in the enclosure. If I said that to the barista, I'd get shunned.

I helped set up a concert at my old highschool for a couple DJ friends. We used many mackie speakers and subs. I learned quick that I hate pa speakers for their plastic resonation as well (the reason I hated the Starbucks speakers). The highs are way too sharp, mids are muffled somewhat and bass is overwhelming with serious plastic resonation. The sub's were placed behind two giant cinderblock walls, 2 feet from them. I could hear the acoustical energy of the garbage mackie subs resonate from the wall, and turn the 5,000 ft auditorium behind the stage where the Dance was into a huge distorted bandpass with a lot of delay in bass response because of it.

Everyone at the dance thought it was the best sound system they've ever heard. I thought it was garbage. I hate PA speakers.

Apparently I have more developed hearing because I have mild Aspergers, which is a mild form of autism. I doubt this is true, but more than once it seemed like I could definitely hear under 20Hz. I've heard low notes very loud resonating off of buildings where melany friends could not. This isn't supposed to be humanly possible, so I guess I could be skitso, or their hearing is just garbage.

Anyway, I might have good hearing, but it doesn't help the fact that I will never know good speakers til I listen to them myself. I could spit audiophile brands in your face for hours, this doesn't make them any good.

I also need to get a shop area somewhere and start building enclosures, I need to learn how to make good crossovers, and learn how woofer materials react with other materials like MDF, bamboo, metal, polycarbonate, stones with certain coatings like tar, and other materials. Things like this should be easy to learn but I have no idea where to even start.


Your riping on a whole industry one i happen to be active in cause you heard some crappy Mackie gear. Mackie can hardly be considered PA. I just reviewed 2 riders a week ago for band im bringing into my area and guess what "NO PEAVEY OR MACKIE" its in there about 4 times. REAL PA speakers can and generally do sound amazing because its live you only have one shot to get it spot on im looking at a JBL line array now to replace my carvin stacks. High school dances always sound like **** theres no setup time no time to tune the room and the music is bad to begin with. PA gear is great when used right i spend the better part of a day tunning my gear to the room before soundcheck. You need to be looking at the right brands JBL,Nexo,Martian.... and carvin for a more budget but not bad gear.
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