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noob speaker question :]

If i wanted to avoid using an amp or reciever could an active powered sub such as this SUB possibly power my 2x 4" -4ohm passive 3-way shelf speakers though the speaker out terminals on the sub?

of course with the line in audio coming from my pc to the sub...

No. In order to power speakers, they require SOME form of amplifier. The difference between active and passive is that active speakers have the amplifier built into them, passives do not (and its bought seperately).

The speaker line outputs on a subwoofer ONLY work if you're feeding that subwoofer amplified speaker line inputs as a signal, instead of RCA. They just pass that amplified speaker signal from the amp, into the sub, and then back out through to your speakers.

So no, either way you need an amplifier to power them. Just grab a Lepai TA2020, its like $25.

EDIT:
And seriously, don't get that horrible subwoofer. If you have $120 to spend, grab a SUB800 or SUB1000 from Dayton, and the $25 Lepai TA2020 T amp. If you can spend a tad more, shoot for the SUB1200 (note its quite large). That Polk PSW10 is absolutely horrible for the money.
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No. In order to power speakers, they require SOME form of amplifier. The difference between active and passive is that active speakers have the amplifier built into them, passives do not (and its bought seperately).
The speaker line outputs on a subwoofer ONLY work if you're feeding that subwoofer amplified speaker line inputs as a signal, instead of RCA. They just pass that amplified speaker signal from the amp, into the sub, and then back out through to your speakers.
So no, either way you need an amplifier to power them. Just grab a Lepai TA2020, its like $25.
EDIT:
And seriously, don't get that horrible subwoofer. If you have $120 to spend, grab a SUB800 or SUB1000 from Dayton, and the $25 Lepai TA2020 T amp. If you can spend a tad more, shoot for the SUB1200 (note its quite large). That Polk PSW10 is absolutely horrible for the money.

Thanks for the quick reply, i just seen that amp not too long ago before reading this biggrin.gif

so if i were to get that amp and the sub i would wire the the pc audio into the amp than the amp speaker wire to the inputs on the sub terminals than from the sub to the shelf speakers?

i might just get a 2.1 pc speaker system to avoid all the wiring and power consumption. rolleyes.gif

edit: thanks i will not get that sub
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Yes sir, you have the wiring correct. And its not going to take more power. An amplifier is only going to take power as it needs it (when you have it turned up and playing). Otherwise its just a very VERY minor bit of power consumption, mostly the LED's.

It'd be worth it to piece something together the right way, rather than buying a pre made 2.1 set honestly. You'll get a LOT better sound output.
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Well ordered the another Lepai on Friday and ordered couple RCA cables as well. Found some nicely priced Techlink cables, product # is 640039 and I suppose it's decent enough.
10meter 2x RCA male -> 2x RCA male.
Product page @ Jimm's says (loosely translated)
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Wires1st series properties:
* Shielded oxygenless coppercable
* Nickel-plated connectors
* Aluminium foil shielding and as well polyethylene insulation
* What Plasma and LCD TV Annual Awards, 2006-2007: Best Cable Brand of the Year 2007
I got a 3meter antenna cable coming in from the same series as well (#640113)

If someone wonder's where I need those:
1st cable goes from Audinst HUD-MX1 DAC/HP-AMP RCA out -> Audio Pro Sub B1.20 Line IN
2nd cable goes from Audio Pro Sub B1.20 Line out -> Lepai

I WAS planning on just getting a Xonar Essence STX but then I was doing some research on headphones and DACs/AMPs and came across the Audinst. Damn amazing product.
And it's pretty portable, it comes with a wall wart but from the reviews I have read, it works just fine with the power from the USB only. So less clutter on my desk w00t.
It's a USB DAC and a headphone amplifier WITH line out. So with a flip of a switch I can either listen to headphones or if I want to listen to my speakers I can just flip the switch biggrin.gif


Now guys, I'd need some help finding a product for me.
What I would need is a RCA splitter with a switch function. Now I found a three way RCA switch from Amazon.de but it's 3x 3 RCA INPUT 1x 3 RCA OUTPUT but I would need 1x 2/3 RCA INPUT 2x 2/3 RCA OUTPUT or 1x 2/3 RCA INPUT 3x 2/3 RCA OUTPUT.
Why do I need it? In the future I will buy a better headphone amplifier. I would like to keep using the Audinst as a DAC for my Lepai and the future HP-AMP but it (Audinst) only has one RCA out.



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Three questions on signals:

 

1)  When splitting RCA signals, do you need a special box, or will the RCA connectors with a male end on one side and a dual male/female end on the other side work perfectly fine?  I'm going to be setting up a two-room system with a shared wall and just piggy-backing the RCA signal from my sound card from one input to the other on the two receivers.

 

2)  When sending signals to ac active sub-woofer/speaker/monitor, is it better to use RCA, or line level signals.  I ask because my main amp, the Denon 2808 doesn't have the easiest control over the bass levels on-the-fly so I would like to use my older Hitachi receiver as a middle man between the Denon's RCA Pre-out and my active sub-woofer to control the bass level.

 

3)  When choosing speaker wire gauge, what are you looking for?  I'm well-versed in choosing cable size for up to 1000 HP electrical motors, but when it comes to speaker systems, I have no idea how to size them so I've just been running 16 AWG for everything.

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Finally got a picture of my speakers and little set-up.
Am I in now? ;]

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Three questions on signals:

1)  When splitting RCA signals, do you need a special box, or will the RCA connectors with a male end on one side and a dual male/female end on the other side work perfectly fine?  I'm going to be setting up a two-room system with a shared wall and just piggy-backing the RCA signal from my sound card from one input to the other on the two receivers.

2)  When sending signals to ac active sub-woofer/speaker/monitor, is it better to use RCA, or line level signals.  I ask because my main amp, the Denon 2808 doesn't have the easiest control over the bass levels on-the-fly so I would like to use my older Hitachi receiver as a middle man between the Denon's RCA Pre-out and my active sub-woofer to control the bass level.

3)  When choosing speaker wire gauge, what are you looking for?  I'm well-versed in choosing cable size for up to 1000 HP electrical motors, but when it comes to speaker systems, I have no idea how to size them so I've just been running 16 AWG for everything.

1. Yes, a simple splitters are enough for your needs.
3. I use 2.5mm^2 which is surely more than enough for the average Joe http://www.bulkwire.com/wiregauge.asp
E: For my own setup I bought 1.5mm^2 and then bi-wired my speakers so I'm basically running 3.0mm^2 which is a tad too thick for the Lepai amp's crappy spring loaded binding posts LOL, I seriously gotta replace them with something else biggrin.gif
But imo, 1.5mm^2 or 2.5mm^2 or similar is enough, if you're running like really long distances then I'd look at a tad thicker cables.
Couple days ago I changed the speaker cables to my mom's setup, GenExxa GX1000 towers (~90's) and Sony STR-GX311 from the mid 80's.

Anyway, old cable was 0.75mm^2 and at least 15years old, copper a bit oxidized on the exposed ends but otherwise it didn't look like it was old, only the rubber/plasticy/whatever coating had lost it's shine. I think it was 4 conductor.
New cables are 2.5mm^2 and if I counted correctly it's 8 conductor.



Any difference? It looks better

Inb4 some cable fanatic comes yelling BLASPHEMY with foam in his/her mouth
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Finally got a picture of my speakers and little set-up.
Am I in now? ;]

That's big desk. thumb.gif Just saying with Polk Monitor 40's on it...

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That's big desk. thumb.gif Just saying with Polk Monitor 40's on it...
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It was a cheap desk, from ikea. About 60" wide. It also has a little shelf type spacing where it holds all the wiring. I've been in love with this desk since day one.
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My Tannoy Revolution DC4's.
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What music software is that?
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