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I think most people jumped on it in part of the fact that games are overpriced right now which is the "standard". To have the price drop so significantly is like a miracle and people were prolly like, "OMG i have to get this".
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Gotta recoup production costs. Most games dont even do that.
Which is exactly why they should cost less.

This example shows valve making increasingly more money off a game as they lower it's price.
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I wonder what percentage of their sales come over Steam versus retail, as that has to give Valve a significantly higher profit if the game is purchased digitally instead. No middle man and they charge the same price! That is part of the reason I prefer hard copies - if I'm paying the same price then I want a hard copy!
I agree!

As for them, in the US games are sold from the publisher to big vendors. These companies buy the games at $35-45 a copy for PC/PS3/Xbox, etc games. Then those vendors sell to people like Newegg, Best Buy, etc. They get then for roughly 90% of the retail cost, and make a small markup then sell them. I have no idea what Steam charges companies who sell through them, but it's probably something similar.

Which really is bull, because they are doing less work, there are fewer people involved, and you even get less product! The only benefit I see is being able to buy at "midnight", though Steam usually don't release new games till around 6-8am anyways, so you might as well buy the hard copy and be able to use it online.
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Yeah, I bought on this recent half price sale.
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And in typical fanboy fashion, you both fail to realize that the point was that Valve is no better than other developers and instead blindly defend Valve.
Excuse me? You bring up proof that is insignificant. Crashes (freezing) can occur from poor drivers, hardware instability, inadequate power etc. Some peoples' computers may be virus infested. If there are a few pages in google with something crashing does that make it a poor application? Since when is that a proper way to rate products?

Valve is better than other developers. Why? They have a system of making games that work. You simply hate steam - And that's fine, there is nothing wrong with hating it. Steam is not perfect, it never will be.

Personally I absolutely HATE the L4D matchmaking system. I don't like the new server browser in TF2 and L4D and I actually like to have a server browser(in L4D, it's not enabled by default). They are certainly not perfect and imo they need to get out of the console market because it's having a negative impact on their PC games.

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I wonder what percentage of their sales come over Steam versus retail, as that has to give Valve a significantly higher profit if the game is purchased digitally instead. No middle man and they charge the same price! That is part of the reason I prefer hard copies - if I'm paying the same price then I want a hard copy!

And what does that hard copy get you? 0s and 1s. What does downloading the program get? The same thing. I fail to see how that physical aspect assures you that you own the game. Valve has stated many times that if Steam fails they will have an application that will allow you to run the games if Steam goes under. You can also backup your games using steam / manually copying the GCF / NCF files.

If the price is the same what does it matter? If you could find a way to deliver your product and raise profit margins wouldn't you?

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Blindly defending? No. I don't ike giving people money. I like to get some sort of value for my dollar. Currently Valve games are a great choice for gamplay/money. L4D patches are coming soon, the constant updating that they do for TF2 is wonderful and unheard of in the current market.
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Excuse me? You bring up proof that is insignificant. Crashes (freezing) can occur from poor drivers, hardware instability, inadequate power etc. Some peoples' computers may be virus infested. If there are a few pages in google with something crashing does that make it a poor application? Since when is that a proper way to rate products?

Valve is better than other developers. Why? They have a system of making games that work. You simply hate steam - And that's fine, there is nothing wrong with hating it. Steam is not perfect, it never will be.

Personally I absolutely HATE the L4D matchmaking system. I don't like the new server browser in TF2 and L4D and I actually like to have a server browser(in L4D, it's not enabled by default). They are certainly not perfect and imo they need to get out of the console market because it's having a negative impact on their PC games.




And what does that hard copy get you? 0s and 1s. What does downloading the program get? The same thing. I fail to see how that physical aspect assures you that you own the game. Valve has stated many times that if Steam fails they will have an application that will allow you to run the games if Steam goes under. You can also backup your games using steam / manually copying the GCF / NCF files.

If the price is the same what does it matter? If you could find a way to deliver your product and raise profit margins wouldn't you?

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Blindly defending? No. I don't ike giving people money. I like to get some sort of value for my dollar. Currently Valve games are a great choice for gamplay/money. L4D patches are coming soon, the constant updating that they do for TF2 is wonderful and unheard of in the current market.
You are just responding with the same style you did before. You are blindly defending Valve and refusing to see any flaw in Valve. If the errors go away in Left 4 Dead by disabling multicore capabilities, for example, then guess what the cause of the error most likely was? I'll give you a hint: coding issues! You don't have to believe it and probably won't because you are living in a fantasy world where logic doesn't dictate truth but what you want to believe does.

If a digital version of a game costs the same as a non-digital version, then there is no benefit from getting the digital version other then being able to sit on your rear while buying it. Why? Because for starters, you have a hard copy to install from instead of having to download, but you also have the option of downloading the game through Steam even if you originally bought it through a retail store. Secondly, owning the disc(s) for a game proves that you own the game in case someone steals your CD key or other registration items. Thirdly, my dollar goes a lot further when buying a retail copy - not only do I support Valve but I support all of the middle men, and I have the option of supporting the local community as well. If Valve didn't have huge, unnecessary profit margins via Steam then they wouldn't be selling the games at such a discount so often. But I don't expect you to pay attention to these points, either, because that would be out of character.

Did I mention anything about Steam going under and me not being able to have access to my games anymore? No. Did I say I hate Steam in this thread? No (but I did make a rant on the topic not too long ago to vent regarding some issues). These are just some of the many things you make up to try to find something you can prop your defense on rather than what was actually said because in order to argue against what I've said you'd have to actually read what I wrote, understand what I wrote, and come up with coherent rebuttals - all of which you are showing me you are incapable of doing. This is why arguing with people who act like fanboys is a fruitless endeavor.
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ladies, ladies. Please.


Valve is a decent company, by no means perfect, but better than most. I think you both are somewhat on the same page. Just chill.
    
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You are just responding with the same style you did before. You are blindly defending Valve and refusing to see any flaw in Valve. If the errors go away in Left 4 Dead by disabling multicore capabilities, for example, then guess what the cause of the error most likely was? I'll give you a hint: coding issues! You don't have to believe it and probably won't because you are living in a fantasy world where logic doesn't dictate truth but what you want to believe does.

If a digital version of a game costs the same as a non-digital version, then there is no benefit from getting the digital version other then being able to sit on your rear while buying it. Why? Because for starters, you have a hard copy to install from instead of having to download, but you also have the option of downloading the game through Steam even if you originally bought it through a retail store. Secondly, owning the disc(s) for a game proves that you own the game in case someone steals your CD key or other registration items. Thirdly, my dollar goes a lot further when buying a retail copy - not only do I support Valve but I support all of the middle men, and I have the option of supporting the local community as well. If Valve didn't have huge, unnecessary profit margins via Steam then they wouldn't be selling the games at such a discount so often. But I don't expect you to pay attention to these points, either, because that would be out of character.

Did I mention anything about Steam going under and me not being able to have access to my games anymore? No. Did I say I hate Steam in this thread? No (but I did make a rant on the topic not too long ago to vent regarding some issues). These are just some of the many things you make up to try to find something you can prop your defense on rather than what was actually said because in order to argue against what I've said you'd have to actually read what I wrote, understand what I wrote, and come up with coherent rebuttals - all of which you are showing me you are incapable of doing. This is why arguing with people who act like fanboys is a fruitless endeavor.
I just read both sides and it seems like you're blindly hating more than he's blindly defending. Every once in a while you gotta take the stick out, man.

IMO, VALVe took all the time, money and risk in creating and promoting steam so I don't see a reason why they SHOULDN'T benefit from it. I'd like the game cheaper too but even ***IF*** they wanted to they wouldn't be able to significantly reduce the price due to the constant whining by brick-and-mortar stores. They already abhor any difference in price between a digital download system and the regular copy as is. You make it more simple than it sounds.
    
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I just read both sides and it seems like you're blindly hating more than he's blindly defending. Every once in a while you gotta take the stick out, man.
And that just proves you didn't read everything. My point all along has only been that Valve is not perfect and is capable of making non-minor mistakes in their games. I didn't turn this into a point-out-the-flaws-of-Steam contest - he did - so to suggest that I'm "blindly hating," especially when I have coherent reasons, is ridiculous.

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IMO, VALVe took all the time, money and risk in creating and promoting steam so I don't see a reason why they SHOULDN'T benefit from it. I'd like the game cheaper too but even ***IF*** they wanted to they wouldn't be able to significantly reduce the price due to the constant whining by brick-and-mortar stores. They already abhor any difference in price between a digital download system and the regular copy as is. You make it more simple than it sounds.
I am not making it more simple than it sounds. Valve has reduced the price fairly often - and not just on their games. If they really cared what the retail stores thought then they wouldn't do that. Would it put the stores out of business for video games? Perhaps, but such is business. We won't have to worry about this happening until Vavle decides to lower their pricing. I'm willing to bet Valve is charging what they are for their games on Steam because they can, not because they have to - especially with their own products. They make Left 4 Dead and Half-Life, so retail stores have absolutely no say in what Valve does with them. There is nothing complicated here.
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Did the sales win WOW sales?
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