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having the PH2 X4 810 for a couple of bucks more, why should i go for the X3 ?

the only good X3 is the 710 at 130u$s
as what have smoothjk said, it has an unlocked multi, plus the fact that it beats the high end cpus in games. and it did beat the 810 as well. if gaming is your concern, you definitely have to get yourself one of these. and just take a look at that oc. it's just pretty amazing. and with that price? come on. at least i can have a kick-ass gaming pc, that can compete with the high-end ones without breaking the bank.

it makes me want to come down from 4 cores to 3 cores on my next upgrade and make my current as an htpc.
   
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I made a comment and it led to a discussion concerning my comment. Not too big of a deal. If you have an issue with it i can go to PM or drop it. I don't really mind.
Well. I see where you are going with this. But we are still learning about mathematics and numbers. Not only that but computers (and e-peens) are evolving as well. But it works. Its not perfect, just like most differential equations are just approximations with very specific domains and ranges but it works.

It seems you know a lot more than I do so I will stop there. But I'd be interested to continue this discussion at another time.
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It's not that i am saying current thoughts on numbers agree with me. I'm saying i think the current concept used in mathematics surrounding numbers is possibly flawed (note the word possibly.) As i give careful consideration to numbers every day as a result of OCD (i shouldn't need to tell you anything about it.) I am one who thinks heavily on such things. Long has been my thought on the numbers 0, 1, and 2. Followed by 4, 5, 7, 9, 13, 14, 15, 19, 21, 24 , and a bunch more then i consider important numbers to myself. But 0, historically, had a much better meaning then today. It was considered absolute 0, whereas today it is considered a placeholder of sorts (although it is treated as an absence correctly.) Or that was the original concept however. It took man a while to come up with it if you know much about the history of numbers and numerical computation. Because you can apply this pattern to numbers that are actual values, doesn't mean that an absence of all numerical value obeys this rule. Same as the way 1/3rd isn't truly expressed in decimal points, however 0.333(►) is literally equal to 1/3. Same gos for 0.666(►) and 2/3. It's been mathematically proven that 0.999(►) is equal to one in fact (rather recently too.) These numbers aren't in a sense truly equal to their counterparts, but mathematically they are in fact equal at the same time. And can be treated as such by substitution for easy calculation. Now if we take the fact that such a flaw exists between literal and mathematical number concepts. We must also take into account that maybe 0's literal meaning is separate from it's mathematical concept. See where i am going?

Forgive me if at any point i seem to veer off, or use language that is difficult to understand. That or words don't seem to belong, i had to edit this to fix that. Have an issue with putting in random words for some reason instead of what i mean to type.
I don't really want to get into it, but 0.999~ does not equal 1, and it was never proven. It was a cheap internet myth or rumour which gathered legs and went off into the abyss. 0.999~ does not exist, it is not a real number. 0.333~ is 1/3, 0.666~ 2/3, ect. 0.333~ is how we, as humans, write out 1/3 in decimal expression. There is no fraction for 0.999~, thus it is not a real number, it does not exist. Decimal expression cannot represent fractions properly, thus we add a ~ to signify that the 3 repeats infinitely.

1/3 * 3 = 3/3.

Another way of writing this is:

1/3 * 3 = 1/1 or 1.0

And even still:

0.333~ * 3 = 1.0

But this statement is incorrect:

0.333~ * 3 = 0.999~

Remember, decimal expression is just something humans invented to represent math on paper. Just because we can physically write out 0.999 on paper does not mean the number exists or can be used in any math. Just because I can write out on paper "dfsdfsdfsdgf" does not make it an english word.

All decimal fractions:

0.111~
0.222~
0.333~
0.444~
0.555~
0.666~
0.777~
0.888~

Have appropriate fractions that represent them:

1/9
2/9
3/9
4/9
5/9
6/9
7/9
8/9

Note that 9/9 would be 1.0, not 0.999~. Go ask any Grade 3er what the fraction 9/9 is in decimal expression. Their answer will not be 0.999~. Neither would any university math professor, scientist, or other smarty pants type people.
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Wel that is good news!

I wonder how that compares though to an equally clocked E8400, and for giggles, an i7 920 or Q9550

And I wish they have better DDR3 Support.
yeah i was thinking the same thing. I would love to see some comparisons between the E8400 and Phenom X3 at the same clock speeds. Especially because they are at the same price point right now.
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I wonder how this chip is compared to my 9850..
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I don't really want to get into it, but 0.999~ does not equal 1, and it was never proven. It was a cheap internet myth or rumour which gathered legs and went off into the abyss. 0.999~ does not exist, it is not a real number. 0.333~ is 1/3, 0.666~ 2/3, ect. 0.333~ is how we, as humans, write out 1/3 in decimal expression. There is no fraction for 0.999~, thus it is not a real number, it does not exist. Decimal expression cannot represent fractions properly, thus we add a ~ to signify that the 3 repeats infinitely.

1/3 * 3 = 3/3.

Another way of writing this is:

1/3 * 3 = 1/1 or 1.0

And even still:

0.333~ * 3 = 1.0

But this statement is incorrect:

0.333~ * 3 = 0.999~

Remember, decimal expression is just something humans invented to represent math on paper. Just because we can physically write out 0.999 on paper does not mean the number exists or can be used in any math. Just because I can write out on paper "dfsdfsdfsdgf" does not make it an english word.

All decimal fractions:

0.111~
0.222~
0.333~
0.444~
0.555~
0.666~
0.777~
0.888~

Have appropriate fractions that represent them:

1/9
2/9
3/9
4/9
5/9
6/9
7/9
8/9

Note that 9/9 would be 1.0, not 0.999~. Go ask any Grade 3er what the fraction 9/9 is in decimal expression. Their answer will not be 0.999~. Neither would any university math professor, scientist, or other smarty pants type people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...#Proofs
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Both cpu and math discussion are interesting Nice thread
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post #48 of 80
Also don't fully judge this chips value at $170 just because the egg has it there. MSRP is still only $145, and it can be had at buy.com for 149.99 with free shipping as well.

In no way are the 710 or 810 superiors to this chip. Your thought process of simply saying that a quad is better then a tri is horribly misguided.
     
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Awesome overclock
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Whoa.... when did this thread become a mathematics debate?

Back to the topic, I'd love to get one of these at the next price drop... Yes, I'm cheap!
    
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