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How is the x4500HD for 1080p playback? I saw it on a ITX mobo and wanted to mod my gamecube into a media center and it was a perfect fit.(according to dimension) Any other onboard itx graphics better than it?
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This look any better?
No, that doesn't look any better.

According to you, this is an HTPC build. With LIGHT gaming on the side. So essentially, you're wanting an HTPC build. A PROPER HTPC build, consists of the following:

AMD 45w Dual Core CPU: 45w Dual core. Nice and cool, that will also keep noise down as well. Keep it at stock clocks...you won't need more.
780G motherboard: (780G being an AMD/ATI Chipset), this series will offer the best bang per buck for HTPC use. HD3200 onboard graphics. It can handle FULL Blu Ray playback with even a Sempron single core CPU at 1080p.
2-4GB of RAM: 2GB is MORE than enough for a standard HTPC. However if some LIGHT gaming is desired, might as well go for 4GB.
ONBOARD GRAPHICS: The onboard HD3200 is MORE than enough for a standard HTPC build. Again, it can handle 1080p Blu Ray with EASE. However if gaming is desired, a HD4670 would be a GREAT alternative. Can be silent, and its between a HD3850/3870 in performance. It can also Crossfire-X with the onboard (which really won't do any good TBH).
Whatever size HDD you prefer: Personally, I'd go for a good 500-640GB drive at least. You may EASILY fill it with recorded shows or movies.
Zalman 7000 or 8000 series cooler: (120mm blow down....cool n quiet), I forget the actual number they use. But just look for the one that's 120mm and blows down at the motherboard. Nice, cool, quiet....enough said.
Blu Ray player / burner: (or other), Personally, I only have a DVD-RW in mine. But I can't afford, or even appreciate Blu Ray at this point. Other people say otherwise. Get whatever you need.
Card reader is handy: They are nice so you can show off home pictures or movies right off your camera .
Front USB is handy: Again, camera use comes to mind. Or, you said gaming....so you could use the front USB's for game controllers.....
350-400w decent PSU: A GOOD 350-400w power supply will be MORE than enough power for this light of a build. My personal HTPC has a 500w, however its Apevia....so its honestly more like a 250 watter or so. And it handles just fine.
Tuner card of your choice: I personally run a Leadtek Cinema HDTV Tuner card in mine. It works GREAT, and the software that came with it works wonderfully without a hassle. Others swear by Hauppage. To each their own. Just make sure its one that can be recommended by people on here. The Leadtek is in fact a great tuner. So are Hauppage....the choice is really yours here.

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If you go by what I've suggested above, you will save a BUTTLOAD of money. Best part is, you won't have put ANYTHING into this build that won't get used. If you go Quad Core with a true gaming video card, you will have nothing but overheating issues. I can promise that. My X2 3800+ @ 1.1v in mine, loads at 68*C. Keep in mind, that is 1.1v!!!! Stock is 1.35v. Again...keep heat in mind. A quad core is just extra heat and its just going to waste.

Do NOT go Intel for an HTPC build. They just don't offer the "platform" for it. I'd say try the above with the onboard video for starters. If the onboard video isn't enough, its not that hard to add a HD4670 into it later. I can almost promise the onboard will be plenty though. I can play Crysis on all Medium @ 1280x1024 on my HD3450 (on par with onboard HD3200)....that's enough said.

If you want to blow your money on something that will NEVER be used, and give you nothing but problems, go for it. Its your money to waste. But I cannot sit here and tell you that you're making the right choice, because honestly...you're not.
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post #23 of 45
I'm done offering you advice. I can't believe I spent all that time typing and trying to help you and you blew off every bit of my advice and still insisted on what you want.

Did you even look at the HTPC section?

I can't stand when people do this. Why did you even start a thread asking people's opinions? Everyone has said exactly the same thing as me, yet you still ignore us all. Did you expect to show off what you were buying for an HTPC and all of us drool at it and tell you you're awesome or something?

Well it's not going to happen. I'm done with this thread, and I'll be very hesitant to help you in the future after seeing how you choose to ignore me and others' advice.
Edited by hiiyah777 - 2/20/09 at 6:00am
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I'm done offering you advice. I can't believe I spent all that time typing and trying to help you and you blew off every bit of my advice and still insisted on what you want.

Did you even look at the HTPC section?

I can't stand when people do this. Why did you even start a thread asking people's opinions? Everyone has said exactly the same thing as me, yet you still ignore us all. Did you expect to show off what you were buying for an HTPC and all of us drool at it and tell you you're awesome or something?

Well it's not going to happen. I'm done with this thread, and I'll be very hesitant to help you in the future after seeing how you choose to ignore me and others' advice.
Stick your help where the sun doens't shine, if that's your attitude.

I asked for advice, I received advice, and made my own decisions. I didn't write a very rude post aimed at you simply because I didn't get my own way. The idea is this is my build. Not your build. So when I'm asking for opinions and advice, I'm asking for counsel, help, hints and tips. But ultimately, I'm going to make my own choices and not simply order one that someone else built.

Yes, I looked in the HTPC section and a lot of the links were rather old. I was eyeing up a 780G motherboard, but honestly. It seemed very, very weak. I want a good PC in a HTPC case.

Now, someone else said a Q8200 would produce less head and I've gone with a 9600GSO. An Asus one at that designed for quite computing and less heat.

Thank you for your help, but keep throwing your dummy out of the pram anytime someone doesn't buy the build you want them to and you'll lose friends here.
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High-fives Pioneerisloud, let's get out of here.....
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The Pioneer stays put, I'm afraid. I have one in this PC and it is not loud. It cost £2 more than my old one and I was geniunely shocked at how quiet it was.

So far everyone seems narked about the motherboard, GPU and CPU.

I can't see the GSO being too hot and it seems perfect for a HTPC, for me, and should play Overlord (2005, not too demanding, but still enough that, from my experience, an 8800GT is needed to run it nice and smooth, so I'm guessing the GSO will do it)

The Q8200 is 45nm, so should run cool. The Zalman low profile fan can shift some air, too. There are two massive fans on the side of this case right next to the CPU. Is it honestly going to run hot. Do I have ot buy AMD just for this? I'm sure Intel HTPC's are possible.
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I have the same case and mobo that you show in the pics and I can tell you difinitively that the longest card you are going to be able to fit in there is 9". I have and 8800gt and it just touches the edge of the hard drive bay.

I actually just switched cases for my HTPC to a Silverstone SUGO SG02B which allows for full length graphics cards so I have room for upgradability.
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...20519(ME).aspx

Don't let the peeps here tell you that what you were looking at is overkill for an HTPC. It totally depends on what you are using the computer for. In my case I wanted to be able to watch HD content and game at 1080p with high settings on every game.

In my opinion I don't think there is a mould that a computer has to fit to be called an HTPC other than the fact that you are using it in your home theatre.

Anyone please feel free to disagree with me but this is just my 2 cents.

Edit: Also the Scythe Shuriken is a great little CPU cooler that I have been using in my case. It keeps everything cool enough and has a low enough profile so that it doesn't get in the way of the top of the case.
Edited by Canada Guy - 2/20/09 at 8:47am
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Whatever man, blow your money on something that'll never be used to its full potential. The build that I posted above would do EXACTLY what you are asking and then some.

So you need to decide...if this is an HTPC build but with LIGHT gaming, what I posted above would work VERY well. If this is an all out gaming rig...do whatever. But I'm here to tell you right now...good luck cooling things in that small of a case with a quad core and a gaming video card. I promise you'll overheat something.
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...good luck cooling things in that small of a case with a quad core. I promise you'll overheat something.
I definitely agree with pioneerisloud on the quad core. A Q6600 is 65nm and a quad so it will produce ALOT of heat. A 45nm Core 2 Duo (i.e a E8400) would serve you much better and would keep the heat down in the case.

The Antec Fusion also doesn't offer much room for cool air to get to the heatsink on your video card since the PSU bay would be right next to it.
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The Pioneer stays put, I'm afraid. I have one in this PC and it is not loud. It cost £2 more than my old one and I was geniunely shocked at how quiet it was.

So far everyone seems narked about the motherboard, GPU and CPU.

I can't see the GSO being too hot and it seems perfect for a HTPC, for me, and should play Overlord (2005, not too demanding, but still enough that, from my experience, an 8800GT is needed to run it nice and smooth, so I'm guessing the GSO will do it)

The Q8200 is 45nm, so should run cool. The Zalman low profile fan can shift some air, too. There are two massive fans on the side of this case right next to the CPU. Is it honestly going to run hot. Do I have ot buy AMD just for this? I'm sure Intel HTPC's are possible.
My entire HTPC (CPU, mobo w/ IGP, TV tuner, RAM, hard drive) uses less power and generates less heat than just your just your 9600GSO+Q8200. It is cooled by a 800RPM 92mm fan and 800RPM 80mm fan.
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