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The Q8200 is 45nm, so should run cool. The Zalman low profile fan can shift some air, too. There are two massive fans on the side of this case right next to the CPU. Is it honestly going to run hot. Do I have ot buy AMD just for this? I'm sure Intel HTPC's are possible.
It seems you are very much unsure of what the heat output actually might be, yet you are choosing to ignore the members suggesting that it will run hot.

I understand that you are trying to build a system to meet your own unique need, however saying that you are not sure about the heat being a prob and rejecting other members with experience advising that it will be prob is sure to upset them. I just don't see it any other way. It seems almost pointless to start a thread even..

With that said, you don't HAVE TO go use AMD, no. If brand matters much, you can opt for any dual core intel has in their lineup and I think it would produce much less heat and bring enough performance to the table. Anything from e2xxx to e8xxx and in between. Quad just seems complete overkill, if you are trying to use it for exactly what you stated.

As for the gpu, I guess it's really upto you imo. If you want to continue playing games that are yet to be released, then I think buying a better card for this is justifiable. I personally wouldn't do anything above 8800gt lvl of perfomance tho. You also have options to go with 775 mobo with intergrated graphics using intel cpu as an option. Prob more expensive than AMD route for the same performance, but if you insist on Intel cpu then it's what I would suggest.

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Alright guys, thanks for the input.

A few of you seem confused about the specs, I think. Just to clarify:

Intel Q8200 Core 2 Quad 2.33ghz
2x2GB 800mhz OCZ RAM
Nvidia 9600GSO (Asus)
Gigabyte 9400 mATX board
Antec Fusion Case
Zalman low profile cooler

I should apologise if it seems like I'm ignoring people's opinions. I have a specific build in mind and last night I didn't really get chance to explain it's purpose fully.

It's going to sit under a cabinet where a sky box and DVD player were situated (and are going to be replaced with this PC) It's going to get used to play DVD's, watch satalite TV (hopefully record as well, I ordered a nice Hauppauge card) It will also be unpacking RAR's, copying data from memory sticks, from HDD to HDD all while either playing back videos or watching TV.

On the gaming side. I'm kind of after "light gaming" I have one specific game it should play and that is Overlord. An 8800GT plays it fine on the TV, but considering peoples advice it seems like it'll be too hot. My thinking was that people use 9600GSO in folding PC's and heat there is a problem. They're rated for being reliable, fast and cool. The card I've ordered has a good looking custom heatsink and fan on there my Asus. I asked for opinions on taht amendment a page back (I think) but haven't had a reply yet!





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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
Whatever man, blow your money on something that'll never be used to its full potential. The build that I posted above would do EXACTLY what you are asking and then some.

So you need to decide...if this is an HTPC build but with LIGHT gaming, what I posted above would work VERY well. If this is an all out gaming rig...do whatever. But I'm here to tell you right now...good luck cooling things in that small of a case with a quad core and a gaming video card. I promise you'll overheat something.
Like I was was saying, I picked a few higher specs at first because I didn't know what I was doing, but a quad and 4GB were my main aim for the PC. It's hopefully going to be a small "server" for the rest of the computers in and around the house, sharing media to another PC, a 360, PSP and a laptop.

Overlord is the only gaming requirement. The 9600GSO should play it well. However, we have an 8400GS in the house, which is hybrid SLI compatible with the motherboard and may play the game to an acceptable level. Before I open the 9600GSO I'll be checking to see if Overlord runs ok on the PC! So it may be that I end up with an ideal solution.

Does anyone know if you can use hybrid SLI using the on-board ports, IE the HDMI. Also, how would I get the HDMI to config the audio if I use a creative card?

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I have the same case and mobo that you show in the pics and I can tell you difinitively that the longest card you are going to be able to fit in there is 9". I have and 8800gt and it just touches the edge of the hard drive bay.

I actually just switched cases for my HTPC to a Silverstone SUGO SG02B which allows for full length graphics cards so I have room for upgradability.
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...20519(ME).aspx

Don't let the peeps here tell you that what you were looking at is overkill for an HTPC. It totally depends on what you are using the computer for. In my case I wanted to be able to watch HD content and game at 1080p with high settings on every game.

In my opinion I don't think there is a mould that a computer has to fit to be called an HTPC other than the fact that you are using it in your home theatre.

Anyone please feel free to disagree with me but this is just my 2 cents.

Edit: Also the Scythe Shuriken is a great little CPU cooler that I have been using in my case. It keeps everything cool enough and has a low enough profile so that it doesn't get in the way of the top of the case.
So, how does the 8800GT do in there? does it run hot? That would be my first choice. I think I'd get a 9800GT to hybrid it and run the hybrid power (if that's supported)

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I definitely agree with pioneerisloud on the quad core. A Q6600 is 65nm and a quad so it will produce ALOT of heat. A 45nm Core 2 Duo (i.e a E8400) would serve you much better and would keep the heat down in the case.

The Antec Fusion also doesn't offer much room for cool air to get to the heatsink on your video card since the PSU bay would be right next to it.
I've changed that to a Q8200. Though I was looking at the E8400.
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My entire HTPC (CPU, mobo w/ IGP, TV tuner, RAM, hard drive) uses less power and generates less heat than just your just your 9600GSO+Q8200. It is cooled by a 800RPM 92mm fan and 800RPM 80mm fan.
I chose the 520w power supply because I want some headroom. Like I mentioned above, this PC want's to be the most powerful in the house, it's going to get used a lot for a lot of things and probably at the same time as other things.
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It seems you are very much unsure of what the heat output actually might be, yet you are choosing to ignore the members suggesting that it will run hot.

I understand that you are trying to build a system to meet your own unique need, however saying that you are not sure about the heat being a prob and rejecting other members with experience advising that it will be prob is sure to upset them. I just don't see it any other way. It seems almost pointless to start a thread even..

With that said, you don't HAVE TO go use AMD, no. If brand matters much, you can opt for any dual core intel has in their lineup and I think it would produce much less heat and bring enough performance to the table. Anything from e2xxx to e8xxx and in between. Quad just seems complete overkill, if you are trying to use it for exactly what you stated.

As for the gpu, I guess it's really upto you imo. If you want to continue playing games that are yet to be released, then I think buying a better card for this is justifiable. I personally wouldn't do anything above 8800gt lvl of perfomance tho. You also have options to go with 775 mobo with intergrated graphics using intel cpu as an option. Prob more expensive than AMD route for the same performance, but if you insist on Intel cpu then it's what I would suggest.

Good luck with your build
I'm not ignoring people so much! I'm just me. I'm the sort of fool who has to make his own mistakes even though I've been warned. But I am listening!












Now, the verdict is still out on everything I ordered, except the Vista, Sat card and 9600GSO. Those have been shipped. Though I do not mind sending the GSO back unopened for a refund or credit note (to get something else)

What else should I consider. Baring in mind the requirements we need from this PC. And please have patience with the enthusiast in me that wants this PC to record my favourite programs, then take me to space and back riding a calculation horse.
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HTPC Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811144231
Low Profile 9800GT - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ofile%209800gt
Phenom II x3 710 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103648
1TB HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152102
Foxconn 780G - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186165
2GB PNY RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820178134
Samsung DVD Burner - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151171

TOTAL = ~550$ USD before shipping

Chose Phenom II x3 710 cause it will run games nicely, and will be fine for the multitasking you are doing... Also, the case comes with a 500W PSU and 2 80mm fans... there is also room for 2 more 120mm fans, so it might be good to look into that as well..

The video card has native support for HDMI!!! Great for the HTPC, and yes, the clip thing that goes onto the back of the case is full length, not low profile like the card itself.

Also, feel free to swap the video card if you don't feel comfortable with Sparkle video cards...
Edited by xxicrimsonixx - 2/20/09 at 9:29pm
     
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That card would be bloody perfect, but it's not on here at all. I've made an order with them, which has had a mix up and has delayed delivery, but gives me the perfect chance to amend my order, so it'll probably be better to order from them.

See what you can price me on there?
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Case w/400W PSU - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134832#
Phenom II X3 710 (For same reasons above) - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159069
ASUS 780G - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152580
Sapphire 4830 - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151337
Crucial 2GB PC-6400 RAM - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/119279
WD 1TB HDD - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150245
Liteon DVD Burner - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159483...oduct_overview

TOTAL = ~425 wha cha ma call its

You should select a different video card if you need a single slot in order to access the one PCI slot, but dual slot will help you keep the system cool/quiet.

The case has many vents, but you should fill it up with as many (as quiet as possible) fans as possible.
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I've decided to stick with the intel, but take out the 9600GSO because of the heat issue and if the MB alone can handle 1080p, then I don't see the need for the card. It has been decided by the boss that the other PC in the room would be more ideal for gaming on, lol I'll also put the 8400GS we already have in and hybrid SLI for the hell of it. Who knows, perhaps other cards are only a driver release away.

The 520w PSU might be an overkill, does anyone know of a decent, lower wattage, modular PSU?
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So what did you end up buying.?
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Honestly, go with an intel atom, they can handle 1080p....
     
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So, how does the 8800GT do in there? does it run hot? That would be my first choice. I think I'd get a 9800GT to hybrid it and run the hybrid power (if that's supported)
The 8800GT was getting quite hot (~90 C) with the stock Palit cooler, to the point that it was causing the card to be unstable. That is one of the main reasons I switched cases from the Antec Fusion to the Silverstone SUGO.

I also picked up a Thermaltake ND-1 heatsink for the card that vents the heat out of the rear of the case. To date I have had no heat issues and I have been able to overclock the heck out of my CPU and GPU.

Now I have very little issue running any new game at 1080P at their high/highest settings. The only caveat is that I have to keep AA at a max of 2x or turn it off all together, but then again the 8800GT isn't the newest of cards.
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