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AMD is a valid option in my opinion for many markets, especially for developing countries, where the price is of utmost importance.

However I've seen it in two countries: AMD is bashed for no good reason, but they have made mistakes that kinda caused this lack of goodwill.

First one: Romania - an article on Tom's back in 2000-2001 in which an Athlon XP with no cooler came on fire (duh?!) made such a huge damage to the AMD CPUs, that me as a seller, I had to make huge efforts to show to my clients that an AMD Athlon XP CPU was miles better than a similar price Celeron Netburst ('cause the P4s were double the price). They were afraid AMDs are hot, can toast and are generally unstable. It's not as unfounded as you may think, as the K6 platform (Pentium1 clone) was quite buggy, and people tend to remember screwups.

Second country: France - where I live now. I had a great CPU, the X2 4400+ OCed @3.2GHz, but an old DFI nF4 mobo started to fatigue. I have found absolutely no DFI, Biostar and other AMD mobos but 200$+ ASUS. After inquiring a couple retailers, apparently French don't buy AMD if they have the choice, so there's no point in them offering AMD. Now I have an Intel e5200 @3.5GHz that isn't really faster than my previous CPU, but on a stable mobo.
When friends around here hear about an AMD (Phenom is impossible to pronounce in Fr and sound decent) they ask weather or not they're still buggy...

Also, last but not least, AMD has no idea how to sell stuff IMHO. Do they have their manuals translated in Philipino? I bet not, not to mention the likely lack of tech support in anything other than English. It's the same for huge markets like France, Spain or smaller emerging markets like Romania. I mean, people can speak English, but Intel speaks French... Intel gains 80 million people's goodwill.

/end of rant
Edited by dragosmp - 2/20/09 at 2:46am
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or maybe intel simply knows how to market well. but for 3rd world countries? amd should be a better buy. only if the people were more educated about these stuff.
   
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man can i have your opinions regarding issues of acceptance regarding AMD processors over your country??here in the philippines AMD has been subject to "great criticism" and even more discrimination on forum threads here..i hate it when they bash AMD so much..1 time i posted the 19k 3dmark score all intel users got bit offended coz their's can't reach the same score..i hate the feeling that they throw at us in here..i know for sure AMD did something that end users all over the world benefited upon..and its not a bad thing at all its a part of moving forward..

19k 3dmark score does not depend on just the cpu... You know you are the one ranting about Intel. but this fanboyism and ignorance is not going to get you anywhere. Both Companies had their ups and downs over the years, Intel is currently producing the fastest and best but also most expensive cpus at the moment, but that is because they is no real competition from amd so they are just playing a monopoly. In the next few years when amd will regain its position than intel will have to lower their prices significantly or they will go down the same path. I think the problem with amd atm is that they are not doing allot of development and research and mostly end up producing a counter product when Intel releases something but then cheaper. They should start doing more development and research to come out with something that does not exist yet before intel does I know they are working on a fusion cpu and it sounds really exiting and I hope it will give intel a huge blow so that amd can once again give intel the competition. This is my opinion and im sure there are many people agreeing and disagreeing with me right now and I know that there are many other reasons.
Edited by nVidiaGTX - 2/20/09 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by dragosmp View Post
AMD is a valid option in my opinion for many markets, especially for developing countries, where the price is of utmost importance.

However I've seen it in two countries: AMD is bashed for no good reason, but they have made mistakes that kinda caused this lack of goodwill.

First one: Romania - an article on Tom's back in 2000-2001 in which an Athlon XP with no cooler came on fire (duh?!) made such a huge damage to the AMD CPUs, that me as a seller, I had to make huge efforts to show to my clients that an AMD Athlon XP CPU was miles better than a similar price Celeron Netburst ('cause the P4s were double the price). They were afraid AMDs are hot, can toast and are generally unstable. It's not as unfounded as you may think, as the K6 platform (Pentium1 clone) was quite buggy, and people tend to remember screwups.

Second country: France - where I live now. I had a great CPU, the X2 4400+ OCed @3.2GHz, but an old DFI nF4 mobo started to fatigue. I have found absolutely no DFI, Biostar and other AMD mobos but 200$+ ASUS. After inquiring a couple retailers, apparently French don't buy AMD if they have the choice, so there's no point in them offering AMD. Now I have an Intel e5200 @3.5GHz that isn't really faster than my previous CPU, but on a stable mobo.
When friends around here hear about an AMD (Phenom is impossible to pronounce in Fr and sound decent) they ask weather or not they're still buggy...

Also, last but not least, AMD has no idea how to sell stuff IMHO. Do they have their manuals translated in Philipino? I bet not, not to mention the likely lack of tech support in anything other than English. It's the same for huge markets like France, Spain or smaller emerging markets like Romania. I mean, people can speak English, but Intel speaks French... Intel gains 80 million people's goodwill.

/end of rant
I live in the philippines and I'm having a hard time looking for good amd motherboards that are easily accessible. Most readily available ones are still using old chipsets, and most decent/high end mobos are only from two or three manufacturers. It wouldn't be so bad if we get prices like in the US, but as it is, you have to pay a hefty premium and do a little bit of looking around to get good/decent am2 mobos (same with intel actually, where x58 mobos could reach upwards of $400; the $200 x58 gigabyte costs around $300 here).

Language isn't a factor though, as most people who can buy a computer can speak english too
    
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or maybe intel simply knows how to market well. but for 3rd world countries? amd should be a better buy. only if the people were more educated about these stuff.
A better buy won't necessarily mean someone will in fact purchase the product over the one that is slightly more expensive. I would say that for most people here in the US and those foreigners buying computers have either an idea for what they want and buy it or they simply have an idea of what they want the computer to do and they rely on a sales rep to help them decide. And if price is a factor don't forget Intel still puts out really cheap processors like Celeron single cores and the like. And the computer itself is made up of many other things that determine the price (screen size, mobo, graphics card, etc.). Most of what is sold in Best Buy now is also laptops and there is clearly a low, mid, and high end market when looking at the prices. For instance there was a Toshiba a customer purchased the other day and thought it was an awful laptop but, they didn't care as it was $399. At one point in time I know Intel vs AMD in the states was a bigger deal and now it doesn't seem that way. They go for the overall package as most people still buy a laptop or a desktop at the store. For the enthusiasts most seem to go for what is best at the moment for what they can afford. However, there will be a few who are fanboys. Luckily in the States we have a large selection of retailers/etailors and great prices. And as the OP is finding out developing third world countries have little luxury in options.

The other thing to all this is something another poster hinted at. Marketing. Intel has done a much better job aiming and educating their products to the general market. And remember once you start getting past the basics of a CPU and why theirs is better the common audience will give you the deer in the headlights look. Since there is no dominating product or guide that people follow in determining what is hot and what to buy, marketing and advertising plays a huge role. Why do you think Apple does as well as it does? Try going to a train station in Atlanta or other major areas and you see Apple or iPod signs everywhere. They have made it seem cool and the thing to get. And their products aim at easy to use and look attractive. Thus they have a winning formula. Intel is very similar. In many computer events Intel makes sure to have their signs everywhere and seem like a big presence. And how many AMD commercials do you see versus Intel ones?

And since Intel is so good with marketing they see the value of saturating or penetrating developing markets as early as possible.

AMD needs a stronger marketing solution and a stronger presence as well as more innovation. They are constantly countering as opposed to taking a step ahead.
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thanks for the reply guys i see that in your places its well appreciated and not thrown into some serious discussions and criticism..here its worse..i hope one day our forums will be of the same community OCN has for both Intel and AMD users..i would like to hear more from you guys..
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I'm not a fanboy by any means, but AMDs latest offerings have got me interested, even though I was deadset on i7.

If they've got the DDR3 issues resolved by the time I'm ready to buy, I'll probably go with them.
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its good to hear that fan boyism here is not that much an issue or either a brag right..@Lumi:for me just a commoner with a limited budget will surely go for AMD's offerings but to the extent being discriminated for using AMD is another issue..
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19k 3dmark score does not depend on just the cpu... You know you are the one ranting about Intel. but this fanboyism and ignorance is not going to get you anywhere. Both Companies had their ups and downs over the years, Intel is currently producing the fastest and best but also most expensive cpus at the moment, but that is because they is no real competition from amd so they are just playing a monopoly. In the next few years when amd will regain its position than intel will have to lower their prices significantly or they will go down the same path. I think the problem with amd atm is that they are not doing allot of development and research and mostly end up producing a counter product when Intel releases something but then cheaper. They should start doing more development and research to come out with something that does not exist yet before intel does I know they are working on a fusion cpu and it sounds really exiting and I hope it will give intel a huge blow so that amd can once again give intel the competition. This is my opinion and im sure there are many people agreeing and disagreeing with me right now and I know that there are many other reasons.
Your next few years is this year btw, nothing that intel is coming out with is going to be better then any of the phenoms for price/performance for overclockers/gamers/mainstream computing. They have what the i5? That can't overclock and is stock 2.2ghz? and then a new die shrink coming in a couple of years? The competition is already here with the phenom II's. I just dont understand how you can write AMD off at all until their you see their new fusion CPU, Have you seen the AM3 720 x3 performance and the am2+ 940?
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They have what the i5? That can't overclock and is stock 2.2ghz?
Rumours are rumors.

You can`t be sure until it actually comes out.
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