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Ok back up and at office now, semi awake (I think). So part of this explanation makes sense part does not (or maybe it does) input desired.

Makes sense: If Icc is fixed then the load line is the acceptable drop in v for different Amp levels (which I know someone did say it seems to be an acceptable range of drop). again this makes perfect sense if Icc (Amp) is fixed and does not increase or decrease as the machine needs it. I am beginning to think this is the case. Unfortunately Intel CPU design specs give Max Icc not desired or range. As of now unverified but still checking.

If Icc is not fixed then it remains a mystery.

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Whats the best temperature monitoring software with little setting to work as of now i use only SpeedFan
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If Icc is not fixed then it remains a mystery.

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I'm beginning to think the same thing, but yet in the literature it keeps showing the voltages drops for different amperages. This may be getting to the point where Intel is keeping this as proprietary knowledge (How they power their CPUs and don't fry them). If they gave out the exact in's and out's of how they powered it; they give out good ideas but leave out so much that it makes it impossible to know what they are really doing.

The one point that keeps coming to mind for me is that if there really is a "Maximum Power Usage Limit" that I think Intel would have published it instead of the vcore limits. Either Vcc and Icc are inherently linked (not in the P=IV sense, but in a if Icc=Vcc*100 or something like that.)

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Whats the best temperature monitoring software with little setting to work as of now i use only SpeedFan
All temperature monitoring programs are the same. They all report the basic idea of TJ Max-Dist to TJ Max=Core Temps...it's just a matter of what they set for TJ Max.
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Whats the best temperature monitoring software with little setting to work as of now i use only SpeedFan
I personally recommend Real Temp and Core Temp. Try them both; they are both better than Speedfan.

If you have any questions about either program, then you may ask in this thread.
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I personally recommend Real Temp and Core Temp. Try them both; they are both better than Speedfan.

If you have any questions about either program, then you may ask in this thread.
I use Core temp, Real temp and I use SpeedFan when I'm stressing with OCCT has you can integrate for nice graphs of the test. As stated before it really doesn't say they are Temps but more "values" based on a distance from TJmax. Like the fact that with TJmax set to 90C you get super low ambient temps, which I I think you take even calibrate idle temps in either Coretemp or Realtemp can't remember which.

Really what it comes down you is you have to relize what your chip can handle. Each chip is a little different. With my currant cooler my chip can only handle 63C (90C TJmax)with 1.47v. Take a small bump in FSB and one notch more vcore and she's really unstable. bump more vcore to try to get stable and I get quick BSOD or restart. Just can't handle any more vcore with this cooler.
    
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I personally recommend Real Temp and Core Temp. Try them both; they are both better than Speedfan.

If you have any questions about either program, then you may ask in this thread.
When using one of those i don't need to set any thing up right?
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When using one of those i don't need to set any thing up right?
You may or may not have to adjust the Tj. Max, but that's about it. But, visit Real Temp's Installation & Calibration Page for further information.

For the E2200, the approximate Tj. Max is 85°C. So, if the Tj. Max in Core Temp or Real Temp is saying 100°C, then you'd enter -15 to offset it so that the readings are a little more accurate.
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[QUOTE=ChickenInferno;6993130]I'm beginning to think the same thing, but yet in the literature it keeps showing the voltages drops for different amperages. This may be getting to the point where Intel is keeping this as proprietary knowledge (How they power their CPUs and don't fry them). If they gave out the exact in's and out's of how they powered it; they give out good ideas but leave out so much that it makes it impossible to know what they are really doing.

The one point that keeps coming to mind for me is that if there really is a "Maximum Power Usage Limit" that I think Intel would have published it instead of the vcore limits. Either Vcc and Icc are inherently linked (not in the P=IV sense, but in a if Icc=Vcc*100 or something like that.)


Icc Max is designated by the CPU, whether Icc Max is dynamic is a question that if answered can answer alot of others. If Icc Max is also Icc typical, IE when booted the computer brings Amps up to Icc Max and that is wherr it stays. Then the chart with the different drops with different Amps means for different CPU's that are set at these different Amps this is the drop for max, min, and typical load. It should not be read (as I have been) as the Amps raise then the drop is this. We are getting those charts from ATX PSU spec which do have to included all the family of processors so different Amp levels for different CPU's. But that doesnt make sense because if I remember correctly those charts are examples of specific CPU's IE 775_CPU_5AB or what not, so that screws that idea up. Ok so since Intel wrrote this thing I am going to email them and just ask about the load line and how it should be read. Wish me luck on a real answer.

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OK, to test the power consumption limit we need someone who has a mobo that shows watts and amp in everest. Have them OC as much as possible with stock cooler. Monitor wattage during load. Then put a large heatsink on and OC again as much as possible. Then monitor wattage during load. If the theory is correct then each OC should use roughly the same amount of watts.

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I honestly do not see any reason why the wattage would be different. So, I'm saying that I am personally 100% confident/sure that the wattage will always be the same no matter what the cooling solution is.
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