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Any controversy over the assumptions on the chart have been addressed. L2/M0/B3 steppings have been removed with the exception of the E1000 series which was marked for L2/M0.

@Bima - Intel never released the data for your L2 stepping. But guess would be that it lines up with the B2 stepping, but again Intel never said a definitive answer so it is up in the air. Personally, I would use the B2 information, but again that is based upon best guess and not absolute fact.
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When I get a chance (and provided I remember), I will email Benson and see if he can confirm Tj Target for the steppings not already in the presentation.

Does anyone know what Core Temp uses for those steppings?
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For my L2 Steppings :
CPUID HWmonitor use 100 C
CoreTemp use 95 C
RealTemp use 90 C

None of them use 80 C.

Oh yeah, normal idle temp with stock cooling is
CPUID HWMonitor : 50 C
Core Temp : 45 C
RealTemp : 40 C
Edited by Bima Sylirian - 10/24/09 at 1:00am
    
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Originally Posted by Bima Sylirian View Post
For my L2 Steppings :
CPUID HWmonitor use 100 C
CoreTemp use 95 C
RealTemp use 90 C

None of them use 80 C.

Oh yeah, normal idle temp with stock cooling is
CPUID HWMonitor : 50 C
Core Temp : 45 C
RealTemp : 40 C
Then perhaps the Tj. Max really is 80°C as the idle temps shouldn't be that high. 30°C is a little more reasonable. Even using 85°C is fine which would make the idle temp become 35°C. But read/use the Real Temp Installation & Calibration page (the documentation page) to see how to get the most reasonable (or "accurate") readings.

But I'm curious: what is the approximate ambient temperature? I mean, what's the air temperature in your computer room? Also, where do you keep your rig?
Edited by TwoCables - 10/24/09 at 7:49am
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For my L2 Steppings :
CPUID HWmonitor use 100 C
CoreTemp use 95 C
RealTemp use 90 C

None of them use 80 C.

Oh yeah, normal idle temp with stock cooling is
CPUID HWMonitor : 50 C
Core Temp : 45 C
RealTemp : 40 C
Idle temps do not mean much at all, because of the innaccuracy at larger Dist to TJ Max. What load temperature do you get after running prime95 on Small FTTs for 20 minutes? Be sure to include ambient temperature as core temps can't be compared without it.

Something to keep in mind is that even if TJ Max is different and will cause different reported Core Temperatures, but Dist to TJ Max is not dependant on anything. Watch your Dist to TJ Max and try to keep it bigger than 20 as a general rule of thumb. It's not that big of a deal if your Dist to TJ Max goes smaller than 20, but it's a very safe place to be regardless.
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Then perhaps the Tj. Max really is 80°C as the idle temps shouldn't be that high. 30°C is a little more reasonable. Even using 85°C is fine which would make the idle temp become 35°C. But read/use the Real Temp Installation & Calibration page (the documentation page) to see how to get the most reasonable (or "accurate") readings.

But I'm curious: what is the approximate ambient temperature? I mean, what's the air temperature in your computer room? Also, where do you keep your rig?
My room temp is a bit hot. No thermometer in my room but I think it's near 30 °C. Weather report often mentioned that the temp in my town is 28-32 °C. So I think if the idle CPU temp goes above 40 °C still reasonable. And don't forget the temp was with stock cooling.
Oh yeah, I put my rig on the table right beside the monitor.

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Idle temps do not mean much at all, because of the innaccuracy at larger Dist to TJ Max. What load temperature do you get after running prime95 on Small FTTs for 20 minutes? Be sure to include ambient temperature as core temps can't be compared without it.

Something to keep in mind is that even if TJ Max is different and will cause different reported Core Temperatures, but Dist to TJ Max is not dependant on anything. Watch your Dist to TJ Max and try to keep it bigger than 20 as a general rule of thumb. It's not that big of a deal if your Dist to TJ Max goes smaller than 20, but it's a very safe place to be regardless.
Max load temp after Prime95 reach 75 °C at CPUID HWMonitor (Tj Max = 100 °C). So it would be 70 °C at CoreTemp and 65 °C at real temp. I was using stock cooling when doing that test.

Anyway, thanks for the reply guys. I really appreciate this.
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My room temp is a bit hot. No thermometer in my room but I think it's near 30 °C. Weather report often mentioned that the temp in my town is 28-32 °C. So I think if the idle CPU temp goes above 40 °C still reasonable. And don't forget the temp was with stock cooling.
Oh yeah, I put my rig on the table right beside the monitor.
Wow, no air conditioning or anything. That sounds brutal. Oh well, it can always be worse, right?

Anyway, considering the conditions and where you place the rig, I think your load temp with the Small FFTs test in Prime95 should be in the mid to high 50's, or even in the 60's, as opposed to higher temps if the rig were kept in a desk hole.
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Max load temp after Prime95 reach 75 °C at CPUID HWMonitor (Tj Max = 100 °C). So it would be 70 °C at CoreTemp and 65 °C at real temp. I was using stock cooling when doing that test.

Anyway, thanks for the reply guys. I really appreciate this.
Was that with the Small FFTs test in Prime95, or the default "Blend" test?

Anyway, 65°C is the most reasonable temp of them all, but change its Tj. Max to 80-85°C, and then it'll be more reasonable.
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Wow, no air conditioning or anything. That sounds brutal. Oh well, it can always be worse, right?

Anyway, considering the conditions and where you place the rig, I think your load temp with the Small FFTs test in Prime95 should be in the mid to high 50's, or even in the 60's, as opposed to higher temps if the rig were kept in a desk hole.

Was that with the Small FFTs test in Prime95, or the default "Blend" test?

Anyway, 65°C is the most reasonable temp of them all, but change its Tj. Max to 80-85°C, and then it'll be more reasonable.
I have Air Conditioner but I seldom turn it on. I just use tower fan normally.
The temp can go 5 °C lower if I turn on the air con at 20 °C.
Yes, that's the result of Small FFTs test in Prime95.
    
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Woah!? SO Q6600 is really 90 TJmax and not 100?
     
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Woah!? SO Q6600 is really 90 TJmax and not 100?
Depends on the stepping. Which one is yours?
From the chart and this sheet, B2 = 80 °C and G0 = 90 °C
    
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