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Ya I don't need a guide I need something to accurately display temps. Or at least for the programs to allow TJMax adjustment with AMD's JUST so I know we aren't neglected.

But if AMD's read accurately WITHOUT some silly compensation then hey, I guess Intel can have their compensative adjustments.
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Ya I don't need a guide I need something to accurately display temps. Or at least for the programs to allow TJMax adjustment with AMD's JUST so I know we aren't neglected.

But if AMD's read accurately WITHOUT some silly compensation then hey, I guess Intel can have their compensative adjustments.
I'd think AMD would use a whole different method. I don't think they use TJmax and whatnot.
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Well I guess so...
But at least AMD user can rely to AMD Over Drive to monitor temp. Maybe it's not 100% accurate just like you said but it should be the best one for AMD CPU.
Well AMD CPUs, or to be more precise, K10 CPUs, only have one DTS per package, so software doesn't actually read the core temperatures and it's not possible to find that out without ripping off your heatspreader and using some of your own instruments

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Not yet. I really hope someone figures out how to read them. The motherboards even seem to be having a hard time figuring out what voltage to set at stock.
CPU-Z has very tight industry contacts and still doesn't have a way of reading the VID. I doubt we will see this any time soon, if ever. It's all because of that PCU :swearing:

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I'd think AMD would use a whole different method. I don't think they use TJmax and whatnot.
They do use a relative DTS readout just like Intel's DTS, but I don't know exactly how it works. The Core Temp site has a very quick rundown on it.
    
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Are you for real?

according to this my temp would be 15-20. Too low :S
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Are you for real?

according to this my temp would be 15-20. Too low :S
You obviously didn't read the whole article or else you would have seen the section on idle temperatures.
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At first. But just like with anything, the more you are around it, the less confusing it is and the more comfortable you get with it.

But just in case: what is confusing to you? Do you have any specific things you can mention?
Getting the best TjMax for the CPU of course.
I was thinking that my E4300 TjMax is 90 °C.
I did a little experiment.
This time I use OCZ Vendetta 2. Intel stock cooler won't be a good choice to get the lowest possible temp. I did try to reseat my cooler several times to get the best temp.
So, the lowest temp I got with TjMax at 90 °C is 33 °C. That sounds more reasonable than 23 °C (if TjMax=80°C), right? I did turn my Air Con on but since it was broken, I doubt my room temp would be able to reach 20 °C.

Anyway, thanks to you, ChickenInferno, and randomizer. This article is nice!
    
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Getting the best TjMax for the CPU of course.
I was thinking that my E4300 TjMax is 90 °C.
I did a little experiment.
This time I use OCZ Vendetta 2. Intel stock cooler won't be a good choice to get the lowest possible temp. I did try to reseat my cooler several times to get the best temp.
So, the lowest temp I got with TjMax at 90 °C is 33 °C. That sounds more reasonable than 23 °C (if TjMax=80°C), right? I did turn my Air Con on but since it was broken, I doubt my room temp would be able to reach 20 °C.

Anyway, thanks to you, ChickenInferno, and randomizer. This article is nice!
If you really want to get the most accurate readings possible from Real Temp/Core Temp/HWMonitor (or any other software that allows you to change the Tj. Max it's using), then carefully study Real Temp's Installation & Calibration guide.

But based on your results, I would say that your Tj. Max is indeed closer to 90°C. But like I said before, it could be 85°C. But these are approximations. I mean, I don't think we have any current method of learning the CPU's precise Tj. Max. I mean, for all we know, your CPU's Tj. Max could be 87.6341°C for core 0, and 88.7634°C for core 1. So, we approximate and make the best out of what we have. Our temperature monitoring methods are pretty crude, but Intel left us with no choice.
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Are you for real?

according to this my temp would be 15-20. Too low :S
But what are the load temperatures, and what is the ambient temperature?
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If you really want to get the most accurate readings possible from Real Temp/Core Temp/HWMonitor (or any other software that allows you to change the Tj. Max it's using), then carefully study Real Temp's Installation & Calibration guide.

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There is a reason why Tj Target is rounded with low precision, and that is because these sensors are not even designed for measuring temps. They exist to activate thermal protection, and that is all. You should stop worrying about getting accurate temperatures and just use the chip for what you bought it for (which was probably not to look at temps all day).
    
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There is a reason why Tj Target is rounded with low precision, and that is because these sensors are not even designed for measuring temps. They exist to activate thermal protection, and that is all. You should stop worrying about getting accurate temperatures and just use the chip for what you bought it for (which was probably not to look at temps all day).
Roger that. The readings are more values and not temps.
    
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