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I did a quick search and the general gist I got was that Intel originally overestimated TJMax from the actual 90C to 100C so that a few outlying Q6600's with TJMax over 90C wouldn't cause complaints... but honestly, this thread is much too long for me to read every word of... so correct me if I'm wrong
I have never had a Q anything. I had been out of the game for a long time; I have had a SKT 939 (broken for years), 3500+, that was my last rig, and it hasn't worked for like 4 years. So I know a little about i7, that is my only specific cpu knowledge, for the most part.

But, if you want to talk about cougars or something.
(Just not in Chicken Inferno's ultimate best thread ever, sorry Chicken, I will get the hang of proper thread etiquette. -_-)
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Haha, I forgive you. I'll just wait for ChickenInferno or Two Cables to give me an answer.

I would love to discuss Puma concolor, but it's past my bedtime and I'm sleepy. Maybe some other time...
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I did a quick search and the general gist I got was that Intel originally overestimated TJMax from the actual 90C to 100C so that a few outlying Q6600's with TJMax over 90C wouldn't cause complaints... but honestly, this thread is much too long for me to read every word of... so correct me if I'm wrong
The reality is that Intel stated a goal ("a target") for the worker at the factory to calibrate the TJ Max point to. For the Q6600 the TJ Max Target was always 90C. Some chips seems to actually be calibrated above 90C which would make the temperatures higher than what would be reported, but this is on an individual basis.

The speculations of "intel made it too high" and then they "lowered it to stop complaints" don't have any foundation. Intel released TJ Max Targets and said that their is variance in the real TJ Max of an individual chips. 90C is what they were gunning for and is the best estimate we have for individual chips.
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I still would like to know where the "errors" in the Taipei IDF presentation came from. I am unconvinced that the number of corrections that had to be made were all typographical errors, especially when they were all corrected by +10C.
    
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I still would like to know where the "errors" in the Taipei IDF presentation came from. I am unconvinced that the number of corrections that had to be made were all typographical errors, especially when they were all corrected by +10C.
I think it may have simply have been someone trying to remember them off of the top of their head and simply screwing them up. Then, when they actually had them written down in front of them, they fixed it. Kind of like someone on the phone says 10 numbers and you remember 5 as you type them up and inevitably screw up 5 of them.
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That would mean that they coincidentally screwed up only 65nm Tj Targets and coincidentally screwed them up by exactly the same amount. While I don't like to be labelled a conspiracy theorist too much, it's still a bit fishy. A quick calculation based on a typical Delta to Tj Max would have showed the problem if it was really just a guess. These guys are engineers.... right?
    
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That would mean that they coincidentally screwed up only 65nm Tj Targets and coincidentally screwed them up by exactly the same amount. While I don't like to be labelled a conspiracy theorist too much, it's still a bit fishy. A quick calculation based on a typical Delta to Tj Max would have showed the problem if it was really just a guess. These guys are engineers.... right?
The people that designed it were engineers but the people making the powerpoints were more than likely secretaries copying down data that their bosses gave them either while typing or over the phone.
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Well you'd think the presenter would have at least proof-read it first... and he's an engineer. When you are about to make one of the most anticipated presentations at the entire IDF the last thing you want is slides full of errors!
    
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Well you'd think the presenter would have at least proof-read it first... and he's an engineer. When you are about to make one of the most anticipated presentations at the entire IDF the last thing you want is slides full of errors!
Yeah, but at the same time then comes in that faith in the secretaries which is ussually founded, but screw ups do occur. Regardless, the updates were made.
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With Core i7, the extra vcore allowed is almost useless. I am currently using 1.45v (Load) 1.448v (Fluke) but I am exceeding the make VTT by running it at 1.45v (Bios) 1.402v (Fluke). I could possibly keep pushing if it wasn't for those pesky teenagers, I mean VTT.

I completely agree past 4.0ghz can be extremely annoying and frustrating (My current case). At least their are currently no GTL voltage tweaking to do, because from my experience (and months of playing with it) can be extremely evil.

I am still trying to get it to run past hour 20 of our custom 8K-4096K Prime95 and am still failing, but I pass everything else with alot less QPI/DRAM voltage.
When using the Custom option in Prime95, do you also leave "Memory to use (in MB)" at 1600, and "Time to run each FFT size (in minutes)" at 15?
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