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yeah i know, but using 100C for the Q6600's tjmax is much more accurate than 90C as specified. anyway, just wanted to share my thoughts
While it's possible that this could be true for your Q6600, it doesn't mean that it's true for all of them. I agree with ChickenInferno that it's likely that your Q6600's actual Tj. Max is closer to 95°C since the Target is/was 90°C. By "Target", I mean that when they made your Q6600, they had a goal of making the Tj. Max as close to 90°C as possible. So, I mean, if it were my Q6600, then I would be using a Tj. Max of 95°C.

However, it's also true that it's evident that the temperatures are absolutely fine since it's stable. I mean, if the temperatures were too high, then you'd be experiencing instability. In other words, we place too much emphasis on making our temperature readings as accurate as possible. But don't get me wrong: it is indeed important to have relatively accurate readings. But the readings are so inaccurate anyway that it's best to just use a Tj. Max as close to the Target Tj. Max as possible, but where the readings are still reasonable.
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I see, I thought the Thermal specification and Tj Max were the same thing.

Now my idles are 34-35, which is about the same as the BIOS. I thought the BIOS was the moast accurate way to see your idle temps
Unfortunately, the BIOS is useless for monitoring temperatures. The only time the reading in the BIOS is useful is when you've either installed a new heatsink, new thermal compound, a new CPU, etc. I mean, you can get a quick idea of whether or not the installation is good just by looking at the temperature reading the BIOS is giving you. If it's reasonable, then it's an indication that it's safe to boot into Windows and do your thing. But outside of that, the temperature reading in the BIOS is pretty much useless.

Instead, use Core Temp or Real Temp (whichever you prefer).
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Load temps are now up to about 55 when running small FFTs for a few minutes. I thought Large FFTs where the best for heat output?

Just realised how noob I am lol
These temps are much more reasonable, but they seem a little bit high. So, I have some questions:
  1. Which temperature monitoring software are you using?
  2. What is the Tj. Max that the software is using?
  3. What is the approximate ambient temperature? The ambient temperature is literally the temperature of the air surrounding the case. It's the room temperature. Although, I imagine that it's pretty hot in South Africa.
Regarding the Large FFTs: try this: with the temperature monitoring program open, run all 3 tests for about 5-10 minutes each: the Small FFTs, the Blend, and the In-place Large FFTs. You will see that the Small FFTs is the one that causes the CPU to get the warmest. This is because it's stressing only the CPU. The Blend test does approximately 50% CPU and 50% memory (not 50% load), and the In-place Large FFTs does the CPU-chipset-memory chain with those Large FFTs (huge data transfers).
Edited by TwoCables - 11/20/09 at 9:52am
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If one was to graph CPU load and temperature over time, say, with Speedfan, one would notice that load is almost completely even. Once thermal saturation is reached while using Small FFTs, the temperature would also be consistent +/- 1C as long as ambient temperatures remained the same.

In the case of Large FFTs, load and temperature fluctuates periodically, and does not allow thermal saturation to be reached and maintained. Blend is even worse. LINPACK and spinoffs such as Intel Burn Test are the worse for thermal testing as the load drops down to almost nothing at regular intervals, and this allows the CPU to cool for a few seconds.

Here is what Small FFTs looks like when graphing with speedfan. Note that the appearance of large fluctuation is misleading, as the scale clearly shows this to be +/- 1C for each core. The temperature deltas are more important than the absolute numbers, as Speedfan is assuming a much lower Tj Max than a Core i7 actually would use:



Now have a look at LINPACK, and note the scale once more:


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Just in case anyone is like "whoa, linpack sucks" or something, then here's why it does that:

The 2 temperature drops in that graph represent the short period of time in between runs. So, you're actually seeing 3 runs in that graph. You can see the very beginning of the 3rd run on the far right.
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Yes, I should have made that clear. LINPACK is great for stability testing, but not for thermal testing. I didn't feel it was necessary to continue recording after 8 minutes, as the point I was trying to make with the graphs was pretty clear.
    
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Why didn't we ever get an IntelTAT for 45nm and quads? That was the 'hottest' thermal test I've ever seen.
    
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These temps are much more reasonable, but they seem a little bit high. So, I have some questions:
  1. Which temperature monitoring software are you using?
  2. What is the Tj. Max that the software is using?
  3. What is the approximate ambient temperature? The ambient temperature is literally the temperature of the air surrounding the case. It's the room temperature. Although, I imagine that it's pretty hot in South Africa.
1)I use Coretemp.
2) The Tj. Max is 85 on there, and I set the offset to -5 to make it 80 as you suggested.
3) ATM there's a cold front so prolly about 18-20 degrees. I'm really not sure.

Considering I'm running 3GHz on a cooler that was designed for P4's I think my temps are looking good. It's not even hitting 55 anymore.
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Why didn't we ever get an IntelTAT for 45nm and quads? That was the 'hottest' thermal test I've ever seen.
Quite simply because the program was never meant to be public. It has long since been deprecated and to my knowledge Intel doesn't even use it any more.
    
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1)I use Coretemp.
2) The Tj. Max is 85 on there, and I set the offset to -5 to make it 80 as you suggested.
3) ATM there's a cold front so prolly about 18-20 degrees. I'm really not sure.

Considering I'm running 3GHz on a cooler that was designed for P4's I think my temps are looking good. It's not even hitting 55 anymore.
That's a great point. I am embarrassed to admit that I didn't know it was originally designed for P4s.
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Aren't the P4/PD coolers actually pretty good since they had to handle so much heat?
    
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Aren't the P4/PD coolers actually pretty good since they had to handle so much heat?
Actually, I was kinda thinking the same thing. But I didn't want to say anything since I was not sure.
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