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Ah ok, because in all stress testing applications besides the intel burn test and occt's line thingy based off of IBT I am under 71c's easily. It's just the IBT which always scared me going as high as 75c's. But if it is just a rough estimate and it is fairly safe to let my overclock expand a bit I will.
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Ah ok, because in all stress testing applications besides the intel burn test and occt's line thingy based off of IBT I am under 71c's easily. It's just the IBT which always scared me going as high as 75c's. But if it is just a rough estimate and it is fairly safe to let my overclock expand a bit I will.
IBT (and all LINPACK derivatives) loads all registers with ones, causing unrealistic loads that simply don't reflect any real-world scenarios.
    
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Originally Posted by Chicken Inferno
This may bring up the idea of OC Fade, but I have not seen example at or below 1.55v on a 65nm that was completely stable (Prime95, LinX, Folding, ect.) or a 45nm CPU at or below 1.45v.
Could you elaborate on this, please? I'm just curious. Thanks.

Oh, and that is a very informative report/guide you have, btw.
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Could you elaborate on this, please? I'm just curious. Thanks.

Oh, and that is a very informative report/guide you have, btw.
Alot of people running on phase changers and chillers for their extremely high voltage, but ussually still subambient cooling will complain about how over time the overclocks that they had were no longer stable. Over time their chips may be degrading due to the high voltage causing their overclocks to lose their stability. For them, the extreme cold may also be to blame (Intel doesn't state a minimum operating temperature for the chips, but there must be one).

To kind of eliminate the temperature variable, we have to look for good watercooling systems which have their highest load temperature under their Thermal Specification but yet are also run above the maximum voltage (1.55v for 65nm and 1.45v for 45nm Core 2 series) also experience a lose of stability over time due to the excessive voltage.

Even if the two cases above were completely stable (prime95, LinX, whatever you want to use), over time they could degrade and give you this OC Fade effect. However, I have yet to see someone claim that they have had OC Fade with them keeping their CPUs within the specs listed below

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Originally Posted by ChickenInferno View Post
What about Maximum Voltages and Overclocking?
If you run at or below the Absolute Maximum Voltages for your CPU, you should never experience degredation or lose of life on your CPU. Overclocking will not decrease the lifetime of your CPU if and only if certain criteria are met.

1.) Electrical Specification must be satisfied (1.55v for 65nm CPU and 1.45v for 45nm CPU)

2.) Signal Quality must be clear (Overclock must be perfectly stable, GTL lanes may need to be tweaked)

3.) Mechanical specifications met (There is not a physical defect and the insides have not previously been gutted by running 1.9v through it)

4.) Thermal Specifications must be satisfied (The IHS temp must be below Tcase)
Ussually what you notice is that people that say they have OC fade either never ran stability tests (which could have caused their chips to degrade due to poor electrical signal quality) or thought that 20runs of IBT using 128mb or ram was enough (take about 20 seconds).

Something else you will notice is that the stability nuts (like me) run our chips on the very edge of the limits (with alot of stability testing to get it tweaked perfectly) for years without claiming OC Fade.

Hope this answered your question.
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I've read this thread and maybe it's cause I am tired but I don't quite understand.

My tjMax is set to 100c's Does this mean I should stop limiting my overclock based on my temps being below 71c's? Because that is what I have been doing. Should I just be overclocking and over volting until I see signs of throttling?
The Tj. Max for your CPU could even be 90°C (that was the Target during your CPU's creation anyway). But still, if the temps are only exceeding 70°C during the linpack testing, then you still have quite a bit of overclocking headroom; especially since nothing else will get the temperatures that high. But be aware of one thing: the higher the temperatures get, the greater the chances become of the overclock always becoming unstable during the test no matter what you do.

But if you change the software's Tj. Max to 90°C and find that the temperatures are unrealistically low, then the Tj. Max could be closer to 95°C. But here's a little secret: if the overclock is rock solid stable no matter what you do to it, then that is proof that the temperatures are low enough.
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i heard from few people and read on forums that q9300's Tj.Max is 95C. But in the picture you put here i see it is actually 100C. I'm confused,which one to believe.
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i heard from few people and read on forums that q9300's Tj.Max is 95C. But in the picture you put here i see it is actually 100C. I'm confused,which one to believe.
The offical number from Intel is 100C. Intel does state that this is the TJ Max target, but generally the 45nm chips do seem to be 100C.
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Hope this answered your question.
Yes, I think it does. I'm still taking in all the information you've provided. You are obviously quite learned in the subject! Thanks again.
    
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My old Athlon Thunderbird started degrading about 1-1.5 years ago with an overclock from 800-958MHz. What was previously stable for several hours of Prime95 couldn't pass 10 minutes any more. I never increased the voltage, just the clock speed. Of course, I wouldn't have guaranteed its absolute stability as the thing was so old I didn't really care, which is why it only got a few hours of Prime95 to check in the first place.

EDIT: Come to think of it, it could have been the memory or motherboard becoming unstable. Just before selling the rig off recently for ~$50 I had to remove a stick of RAM because one memory slot went dead. Hmm...
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Where is the Intel document that says 1.45V is the maximum safe voltage for the 45nm Core2s? I've known about this for several months now, but I've never asked for the document or for proof. I've always trusted this information since I've been told by a few different people.
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