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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
But that depends on which Tj. Max the software is using. So, it must be calibrated correctly in order to get the most accurate temps.
If you have the program set to show you distance insted of temps it doesn't matter what you have it set at. I'm sorry CoreTemp doesn't allow that. RealTemp is a better example.
    
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Thermtrip starts when tj max on the cores is reached, so please clarify the above, I'm confused.
Regardless of set tj max, 90, 95, 100°c, distance remains the same and throttling occurs once those numbers are reached on any core.
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In the event of a catastrophic cooling failure, the processor will automatically shut down when the silicon has reached a temperature approximately 20°C above the maximum Tc. Assertion of THERMTRIP# (Thermal Trip) indicates the processor junction temperature has reached a level beyond where permanent silicon damage may occur.
Let's say that the IHS is at Tcase 71C (The cores must be at roughly 81C--Dist to TJ Max 9), then we increase the heat and we are now at 20C above Tcase 91C (Cores are now at 101C--Dist to TJ Max is -11). We are now roughly 20C above Tcase, but we have a negative Dist to TJ Max.


I will say though that I am not brave enough to let my CPU hit 90C just to make sure. At that point the common sense factor comes into play, but the whole idea is that you won't necessarily damage your cores until you have extremely high temps, but having those temps isn't a good idea anyway because it will severely limit your overclock.
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If you have the program set to show you distance insted of temps it doesn't matter what you have it set at. I'm sorry CoreTemp doesn't allow that. RealTemp is a better example.
Core Temp has that feature now, but you have to enable it.

Anyway, I was not aware of this. This is really quite fascinating, actually. But the reason I wasn't aware of it is because I never paid attention. I always downloaded, calibrated, and left it.
    
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Let's say that the IHS is at Tcase 71C (The cores must be at roughly 81C--Dist to TJ Max 9), then we increase the heat and we are now at 20C above Tcase 91C (Cores are now at 101C--Dist to TJ Max is -11). We are now roughly 20C above Tcase, but we have a negative Dist to TJ Max.


I will say though that I am not brave enough to let my CPU hit 90C just to make sure. At that point the common sense factor comes into play, but the whole idea is that you won't necessarily damage your cores until you have extremely high temps, but having those temps isn't a good idea anyway because it will severely limit your overclock.
The cores will not hit 101°c if the set tj max is 90°c, throttling will happen at 90°c.
Maybe sooner, my old q6600 would throttle at 98°c with a set tj max of 100°c.
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The cores will not hit 101°c if the set tj max is 90°c, throttling will happen at 90°c.
Maybe sooner, my old q6600 would throttle at 98°c with a set tj max of 100°c.
At this point though, could you really tell it was thermally throttling at Dist to TJ Max 2, or was it just instability due to high temps? It almost sounds like that at the THERMTRIP#, it would just halt all proccesses until the temperature was lowered and then would resume like nothing had happened...but again you might not be able to see the difference between that and a unstable lockup.
 
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At this point though, could you really tell it was thermally throttling at Dist to TJ Max 2, or was it just instability due to high temps? It almost sounds like that at the THERMTRIP#, it would just halt all proccesses until the temperature was lowered and then would resume like nothing had happened...but again you might not be able to see the difference between that and a unstable lockup.
Yes, it was an experiment I did, overvolted, passive cooling.
I wanted to see when the proc would throttle, I have a thread around here about it, couple of years old and I can't find it.

Edit> I found it.
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May the CPU gods have mercy on my poor chips soul. I pushed it to 93C (dist to TJ Max -3, but it was showing it as 126???) It never throttled and was still running LinX, but I was freaking out.



I'm going to try another test to show if the Gflops go down in LinX brb. (BTW I chose 3.8ghz at 1.43v because I know it's rock solid)
 
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TM enabled in BIOS?
What's showing 126, I don't see it.
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Yeah, what was showing 126?
    
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This is the one during the test showing that the temps really were that high in the test.



This is after the test showing that the CPU never enabled THERMTRIP# even at 93C and that the GLOPS didn't go down so there wasn't any form of thermal throttling even at temps higher than TJ Max.




The 126 was the Distance to TJ Max (obviously an error)
All forms of C1E, speedstep, and Thermal Management are disabled in the bios, but that shouldn't matter as THERMTRIP# is an onchip cut off switch.
Edited by ChickenInferno - 8/8/09 at 10:50am
 
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Linksys WMP600N Wireless-N Dual Band 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600K Asus P8P67 WS Revolution XFX 6670 32gb (4x8gb) G-Skill 1333mhz cas9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate 7200rpm Western Digital Caviar Black Sony Optiarc 24x Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win Server 2008 R2 None None Corsair TX850 V2 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Fractal Arc Midi None None None 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2120T Biostar H61MH Intel HD 2000 G-Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung Evo 128gb Seagate 4tb 7200.14 Seagate 3tb 7200.14  Asus 24x DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Stock Win7 x64 Ultimate LG 47"1080p HP Wireless Keyboard/Mouse 
PowerCaseAudioOther
Silverstone 400W ST40F-ES Silverstone ML03B 2x Polk Monitor 50, Polk PSW10, Onkyo TX-SR308 Linksys WMP600N Wireless Card 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2700K Asus P8P67 Deluxe Diamond 6970 (6950) 2gb G-Skill (2x4gb) 1600mhz cas9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 128gb SSD Western Digital 3tb 5900rpm LG 22x DVD Burner Custom Loop 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 x64 Pro 2x Samsung 2433BW 1920x1200 Microsoft Desktop 400 Corsair TX750 V2 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 800D Microsoft Desktop 400 Black Klispsch 2.1 ProMedia 
Other
Linksys WMP600N Wireless-N Dual Band 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600K Asus P8P67 WS Revolution XFX 6670 32gb (4x8gb) G-Skill 1333mhz cas9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate 7200rpm Western Digital Caviar Black Sony Optiarc 24x Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win Server 2008 R2 None None Corsair TX850 V2 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Fractal Arc Midi None None None 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2120T Biostar H61MH Intel HD 2000 G-Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung Evo 128gb Seagate 4tb 7200.14 Seagate 3tb 7200.14  Asus 24x DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Stock Win7 x64 Ultimate LG 47"1080p HP Wireless Keyboard/Mouse 
PowerCaseAudioOther
Silverstone 400W ST40F-ES Silverstone ML03B 2x Polk Monitor 50, Polk PSW10, Onkyo TX-SR308 Linksys WMP600N Wireless Card 
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