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Can anyone really tell the difference? I know that most FLAC rips are around 900-1100 kbps (well most of mine are at least) and that some 24-bit rips are more than 3000 or so, but is there any discernable difference considering they are both lossless?
    
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Vinyl rips have more of a "crackle" to them because of the analog source, and some people prefer it over a digital source.

It's all personal preference really. If you can't hear the difference between the two, then there is no point in taking up triple the space.
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If you get a great vinyl rip it will be worth the space, trust me there is a huge audiable difference. (If you are an audiophile that is.)
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Completely different animals there - you're comparing 16bit CD rips to 24bit vinyl encodings. The 24bit encoding has the potential for far increased dynamic range.
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Completely different animals there - you're comparing 16bit CD rips to 24bit vinyl encodings. The 24bit encoding has the potential for far increased dynamic range.
You would want pretty high quality audio equipment so you can hear it as it should be heard.
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I prefer listening to my vinyl, over any flac recordings.

I dont know it is just more realistic sounding, I was tolled a cd is like trying to make a circle with pixel yes you can really close, but really it isnt a circle, while vinyl is like making the circle with a pen.
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Originally Posted by low strife View Post
You would want pretty high quality audio equipment so you can hear it as it should be heard.
That is beside the point - the OP asked if they are the same since they are both lossless, but that is not the case. Indeed they are both "lossless" based upon the codec used, but in this case I'd say that refers to the uncompressed digital data rather than the original source.

Think about it - a CD is already digital, a record is not. By nature of taking an analog medium and creating a digital representation of it you are already creating "loss", as there is no possible way for a digital signal to identically recreate an analog waveform.

EDIT: BLKKROW above this post has an excellent analogy about that.
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That is beside the point - the OP asked if they are the same since they are both lossless, but that is not the case. Indeed they are both "lossless" based upon the codec used, but in this case I'd say that refers to the uncompressed digital data rather than the original source.

Think about it - a CD is already digital, a record is not. By nature of taking an analog medium and creating a digital representation of it you are already creating "loss", as there is no possible way for a digital signal to identically recreate an analog waveform.

EDIT: BLKKROW above this post has an excellent analogy about that.
So the original studio recording is never digital then? I thought these days it would have been. And where can I obtain vinyl recordings then?

Also, sorry if it's a really stupid question but if I rip an analog source, am I not making it digital in the process?
    
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Originally Posted by Chipp View Post
That is beside the point - the OP asked if they are the same since they are both lossless, but that is not the case. Indeed they are both "lossless" based upon the codec used, but in this case I'd say that refers to the uncompressed digital data rather than the original source.

Think about it - a CD is already digital, a record is not. By nature of taking an analog medium and creating a digital representation of it you are already creating "loss", as there is no possible way for a digital signal to identically recreate an analog waveform.

EDIT: BLKKROW above this post has an excellent analogy about that.
Yeah, i love listening to my vinyl, even though mp3s/FLAC are easier but over all the vinyl ranks supreme.

It kinda like vibrato on a stringed instrument, when i put my finger down on a string a pull on my bow, my viola makes a noise. But once i put my finger in the same spot but in a certain way move it very slightly forward and back you get the full range of that note, and the note pops out.

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So the original studio recording is never digital then? I thought these days it would have been. And where can I obtain vinyl recordings then?

Also, sorry if it's a really stupid question but if I rip an analog source, am I not making it digital in the process?
You can rip a vinyl into a digital source, i've done it a few times. But when you rip it you can choose what format you want, if it is FLAC or mp3.

There are some specialty stores that sells vinyl, you will need these stores for newer music, old music can also be found there or it is often less expensive and easier to find them in misc. spots like garage sales. I have found some original Beatles vinyl at garage sales, and at some book stores, or entertainment exchange stores.

3rd Edit: Also the best part of vinyl is some band only release EP's on vinyl and they do eventually get to mp3's but you can listen to them on vinyl
Edited by BLKKROW - 3/29/09 at 4:33pm
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I dont know it is just more realistic sounding, I was tolled a cd is like trying to make a circle with pixel yes you can really close, but really it isnt a circle, while vinyl is like making the circle with a pen.
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