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The two previous ratings are from people who obviously are enamoured by the subject.
I'm a pro photog. I'd take advice where I can get it from the people who know.

Each photo is supposed to get 1 rating so drop it man. rolleyes.gif
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The two previous ratings are from people who obviously are enamoured by the subject.
I'm a pro photog. I'd take advice where I can get it from the people who know.

Unnecessary. Whether or not they're "enamored" by the subject is pointless. The photo didn't deserve a 0/10 rating because you weren't enamored with the subject. Technically it was a fine image - there could absolutely have been improvements, but not everyone who posts in this thread is a "professional". Most are computer enthusiasts that shoot as a hobby; while there may be a handful of people who are truly 'professional' photographers, they are not the norm.

I do find it pretty interesting that you put down their ratings because of their being enamored with the subject, but you put it down because 'you're a professional motorsports photographer and the image of a 'stick' is far more pleasing than a stock image of a car' - i.e. your opinion has value because of your profession, while theirs does not.

I'm a guy on the internet, so that means everything I say is true and that I know what I'm talking about. teaching.gif
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Unnecessary. Whether or not they're "enamored" by the subject is pointless. The photo didn't deserve a 0/10 rating because you weren't enamored with the subject. Technically it was a fine image - there could absolutely have been improvements, but not everyone who posts in this thread is a "professional". Most are computer enthusiasts that shoot as a hobby; while there may be a handful of people who are truly 'professional' photographers, they are not the norm.
I do find it pretty interesting that you put down their ratings because of their being enamored with the subject, but you put it down because 'you're a professional motorsports photographer and the image of a 'stick' is far more pleasing than a stock image of a car' - i.e. your opinion has value because of your profession, while theirs does not.
I'm a guy on the internet, so that means everything I say is true and that I know what I'm talking about. teaching.gif

Ha ha ha!

/End Discussion.

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The two previous ratings are from people who obviously are enamoured by the subject.
I'm a pro photog. I'd take advice where I can get it from the people who know.

Somehow I truly doubt this statement.
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The two previous ratings are from people who obviously are enamoured by the subject.

I'm a pro photog. I'd take advice where I can get it from the people who know.
But are your pitures better?
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Ripley-Wedding-Photographer-21.jpg

I like it, 8/10 - part of me thinks the glare/flare is a bit much but then part of me really likes it. I guess it's a winner since it's making me keep looking.

Here is one that I wish I could have framed better but I just couldn't make it work.

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Windy Day in Battery Park by R. Flynn, on Flickr
post #5977 of 10513
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Unnecessary. Whether or not they're "enamored" by the subject is pointless. The photo didn't deserve a 0/10 rating because you weren't enamored with the subject. Technically it was a fine image - there could absolutely have been improvements, but not everyone who posts in this thread is a "professional". Most are computer enthusiasts that shoot as a hobby; while there may be a handful of people who are truly 'professional' photographers, they are not the norm.
I do find it pretty interesting that you put down their ratings because of their being enamored with the subject, but you put it down because 'you're a professional motorsports photographer and the image of a 'stick' is far more pleasing than a stock image of a car' - i.e. your opinion has value because of your profession, while theirs does not.
I'm a guy on the internet, so that means everything I say is true and that I know what I'm talking about. teaching.gif

I think you have misunderstood what is going on here.

The guy came along and dismissed someone else's work as 'a picture of a stick' That's just rude and speaks more of the ability of the viewer to understand the image than it does as a valuable critique.

I don't suggest that for one second my opinion is more valid than anyone else's but I wanted him to understand what it's like to be told an image is worthless. I wanted him to understand that this was coming from someone who makes a living out of photography rather than 'some guy on the internet' I was making a point.

I take no issue with the subject of a car.. hell i make a living out of photographing high- end racing. The point I was making is that it's just pointless and rude to be rating a photograph on the subject. The 'stick' image was quite good. Showed depth of field, it might not have been intentional due to the closeness of the lens and the f-stop being chosen by the camera but it produced an image where something was going on.
The image of a car was simply that. An image of a car. it's flat, it shows no camera control was considered that might distinguish the subject from the background. It shows a lack of understanding of bokeh or a simple unwillingness to produce it.

My whole point was that it's easy to be dismissive of an image as he was. It's rude and probably hurtful to the photographer. I showed how easy it was. Sure, I was a jerk about it. I intended to be just that. I was reversing the roles.

It would be nice of people to judge an image on merit rather than if they like what the image represents. I do a lot of wildlife photography also. i'd hate to be told my images of snakes have no merit by a person who has a phobia of snakes.

I will now apologise for being rude because as I said. It's hurtful.


The image above. Windy day in battery park. I like that very much. Unusual. I doubt that I'd have even considered that image in the way it was taken. Shows a good eye. I'd rather not rate out of 10 if that's allowed. i don't think that serves a valuable purpose when critiquing images.

Now. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to include an image or not and no doubt I'll receive some criticism based upon my previous posts rather than the image. Such is life smile.gif

I already know what's wrong with this but in my defence it was long ( 400mm hand held, ) and quite open.

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But are your pitures better?

unless a picture is technically 'at fault' then there is no such thing as better. There is only 'different' It's all subjective.


But I do get paid for my pictures which are published so that implies that they are 'good enough'.
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I think you have misunderstood what is going on here.
The guy came along and dismissed someone else's work as 'a picture of a stick' That's just rude and speaks more of the ability of the viewer to understand the image than it does as a valuable critique.
I don't suggest that for one second my opinion is more valid than anyone else's but I wanted him to understand what it's like to be told an image is worthless. I wanted him to understand that this was coming from someone who makes a living out of photography rather than 'some guy on the internet' I was making a point.
I take no issue with the subject of a car.. hell i make a living out of photographing high- end racing. The point I was making is that it's just pointless and rude to be rating a photograph on the subject. The 'stick' image was quite good. Showed depth of field, it might not have been intentional due to the closeness of the lens and the f-stop being chosen by the camera but it produced an image where something was going on.
The image of a car was simply that. An image of a car. it's flat, it shows no camera control was considered that might distinguish the subject from the background. It shows a lack of understanding of bokeh or a simple unwillingness to produce it.
My whole point was that it's easy to be dismissive of an image as he was. It's rude and probably hurtful to the photographer. I showed how easy it was. Sure, I was a jerk about it. I intended to be just that. I was reversing the roles.
It would be nice of people to judge an image on merit rather than if they like what the image represents. I do a lot of wildlife photography also. i'd hate to be told my images of snakes have no merit by a person who has a phobia of snakes.
I will now apologise for being rude because as I said. It's hurtful.
The image above. Windy day in battery park. I like that very much. Unusual. I doubt that I'd have even considered that image in the way it was taken. Shows a good eye. I'd rather not rate out of 10 if that's allowed. i don't think that serves a valuable purpose when critiquing images.
Now. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to include an image or not and no doubt I'll receive some criticism based upon my previous posts rather than the image. Such is life smile.gif
I already know what's wrong with this but in my defence it was long ( 400mm hand held, ) and quite open.
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Works for me. My apologies if I came off harsh in my response to your response of -- well, whatever. Nobody is trying to be a wang here, that's all that matters.

I'll echo what you said - even if a photo is 'boring' or 'plain' in concept, all aspects of the image (image quality, aesthetics, etc) should be considered when rating an image.

8/10 on the eagle; while the dark background provides great contrast for the eagle's head, I kind of feel like it takes a bit away from the image.

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No apology necessary Bernie. Well apart from mine. my original post was made after two bottles of Prosecco had been demolished. I should be more...considered.

Thanks for rating my picture. I'll not do the same for you ( unless asked ) as I'm not quite sure what the etiquette here is and I've already pissed people off. I'll leave it for others to do so that they might post a picture of their own. I'd hate to come new to the thread and hog it.

Your comments on my Eagle picture are valid but unfortunately I have to say 'I took what i could get' I'm in the UK. We don't have majestic bald eagles soaring in baby blue skies with beautiful Arizona landscapes to frame them with wink.gif

The background is probably a netted fence and that's why I've done my best to exclude any detail smile.gif
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