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the topre fart is not that. its when you leave ur kb alone then you hear a pop which comes from the cup coming up again. after using a hhkb2 for while is get less and less frequent even though it wasnt that annoyin to begin with.

what is the opposite of "the sound of a key bottoming out"...it would be the sound of a key poping back up and i was just wondering if there was a name for that and why it happens.
I've always called it keycap rattle, I don't notice it on scissor switches and some short-throw rubber dome boards, but it's there on most normal rubber dome boards and any mechanical I've tried.

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Assuming I get used to the keyboard after a time and am no longer bottoming out, an MX Brown keyboard would be no louder than a cheap rubber dome keyboard, right? As long as I'm not getting a keyboard that's significantly louder than my current Dell POS, I don't think noise will be an issue.
I find my Filco with browns to be slightly louder than a typical rubber dome keyboard, but not significantly louder. I'd say you'll be fine.
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Why not the blues
Noise, mostly. The way I understood it, Browns and Blues are physically about the same to type on, and browns just lack the clicky noise, right?
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As long as you are 100% sure!

But now I remember someone said way earlier (like a couple of days ago now) that the Cherry MX Blues have an actuation force of 55g. The original post of this thread (the Mechanical Keyboard Guide) says it's 50g. Going further, the Cherry MX Whites are said to be like a stiffer Brown and even stiffer than the Blues. If this is true, then the Cherry MX Blues are not 55g, but 50g. Or, maybe it's that the Clears are 60g, but the documentation just says 55g. I don't know.

Regardless of all of that, I can just tell you this: typing on the Cherry MX Blues is a real pleasure. So, don't be afraid of the Blues if you think they might be too stiff or something.
I'm sure I'll enjoy typing on either of them, since I've been using a cheap kb for... ever. The only reason I chose the browns over the blues is the noise.
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Not making it easy for him, eh?
They certainly aren't!
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I've always called it keycap rattle, I don't notice it on scissor switches and some short-throw rubber dome boards, but it's there on most normal rubber dome boards and any mechanical I've tried.


I find my Filco with browns to be slightly louder than a typical rubber dome keyboard, but not significantly louder. I'd say you'll be fine.
Good to know--thanks!
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Yeah, that was me, I got the numbers mixed up. Blues are rated for 50g and Whites at 55g.

That said, Cherry's specs are for the resistance is the point of actuation, not the stiffest point of the travel in the switch. In any of their non-linear switches, there's a hump in the force graph before the actuation point that requires about 10g more force to overcome than the actuation point. This means that a Blue Cherry is 60g at its stiffest point, a Brown 55g and so on. It makes comparison difficult with switches where either peak force is specified, or the actuation point is also the stiffest point in the travel.
Whoa, I have never looked at the graph closely enough to notice! But of course, now I see it: for the Blues, the tactile bump sits right on the 60cN line, and the point of actuation is at about 50cN.

Nice. I'm glad you pointed this out.

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Noise, mostly. The way I understood it, Browns and Blues are physically about the same to type on, and browns just lack the clicky noise, right?

I'm sure I'll enjoy typing on either of them, since I've been using a cheap kb for... ever. The only reason I chose the browns over the blues is the noise.

They certainly aren't!

Good to know--thanks!
The clicks are just a crisp mechanical click sound that are produced by the switches, but the decibel level of the clicks sounds lower to me than the sound of bottoming out. For me, the click adds a sense of precision to my keystrokes; it's satisfying. But I certainly wouldn't want to be using this keyboard if I were sharing a bedroom with someone because I know that I would certainly be on the computer while they're trying to sleep. And I think that even though the clicks aren't loud, they may still be enough sound to keep some people awake. But then some people wouldn't be bothered by it in the least bit.

But even without the clicks, I think that the sound I dubbed "key pop" (the sound of the keys popping back up) would probably be enough to keep someone awake if I were sharing a bedroom with someone who's normally trying to sleep while I'm using the computer. Plus, my occasional bottoming out of keys like Backspace, Enter, Shift, Spacebar, etc. would probably keep them awake too.

Fortunately, I don't have to be concerned about the sound of my keyboard at all, so I get to enjoy a clicky keyboard.

But if you're still concerned, then try to watch as many YouTube videos as you can of people typing on boards that have the Browns, Blues, Blacks, etc. If you watch enough videos of each, then you'll get a fairly decent idea of what you'd be getting. But if you do this, then there's one thing to always remember: most videos seem to make the Blues sound a little louder than they really are, and sometimes even a little bit ear-piercing. But in reality, the sound is very similar to the click that a retractable pen makes. Except, a retractable pen makes a louder click.
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Whoa, I have never looked at the graph closely enough to notice! But of course, now I see it: for the Blues, the tactile bump sits right on the 60cN line, and the point of actuation is at about 50cN.

Nice. I'm glad you pointed this out.


The clicks are just a crisp mechanical click sound that are produced by the switches, but the decibel level of the clicks sounds lower to me than the sound of bottoming out. For me, the click adds a sense of precision to my keystrokes; it's satisfying. But I certainly wouldn't want to be using this keyboard if I were sharing a bedroom with someone because I know that I would certainly be on the computer while they're trying to sleep. And I think that even though the clicks aren't loud, they may still be enough sound to keep some people awake. But then some people wouldn't be bothered by it in the least bit.

But even without the clicks, I think that the sound I dubbed "key pop" (the sound of the keys popping back up) would probably be enough to keep someone awake if I were sharing a bedroom with someone who's normally trying to sleep while I'm using the computer. Plus, my occasional bottoming out of keys like Backspace, Enter, Shift, Spacebar, etc. would probably keep them awake too.

Fortunately, I don't have to be concerned about the sound of my keyboard at all, so I get to enjoy a clicky keyboard.

But if you're still concerned, then try to watch as many YouTube videos as you can of people typing on boards that have the Browns, Blues, Blacks, etc. If you watch enough videos of each, then you'll get a fairly decent idea of what you'd be getting. But if you do this, then there's one thing to always remember: most videos seem to make the Blues sound a little louder than they really are, and sometimes even a little bit ear-piercing. But in reality, the sound is very similar to the click that a retractable pen makes. Except, a retractable pen makes a louder click.
Thanks for the writeup. I'll get her opinion on the youtube videos, since my hearing is crap and she's the one that's potentially going to be bothered by it.
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Thanks for the writeup. I'll get her opinion on the youtube videos, since my hearing is crap and she's the one that's potentially going to be bothered by it.
Then in addition to what I said, she will need to understand that the keyboard may sound quieter and "better" in person, especially if you have carpet in there.

But there's something else: most people in the videos you will see are bottoming out. But thankfully, there are some people who aren't bottoming out at all and so the only sounds heard are the switches and that sound I still want to call "key pop".
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Alright, I sold my Das in preparation of picking up a new board. Really want to go tenkeyless for the desk space. Should I bother waiting for EK to start selling Leopolds or should I attempt to order off of Army Group etc.?
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The realforce 86ub is slightly on sale at EK.
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The Yellow WASD keys from ArmyGroup are awesome.


Just Awesome.

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Ripster, do you think it is time yet to put my second Industrial Space Saver on ebay? Har har, no I think I'll trade it for a Korean keyboard.
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Manyak, you know your trade when it comes to mechanical keyboards, no doubt about that.. but when it comes to the Razer Black Widow, would you really recommend it?

Here's the deal, i started off with a G15 back in the days.. some years later i "upgraded" to a G19, i then found your thread and saw the 'light' and got myself a steelseries 7G.. there's nothing wrong with the keyboard, but i simply miss 1)Macros. 2)Backlit Keys(gotta love them for dark environments)and i just hate the fact that it is so easy to accidentally hit keys, a small push and bam.. you've blown a spell/skill that you were saving for later.

And that's that, i will be selling the 7G and it's going with my blessing really nice keyboard and thanks for your recommendation back then.But what about the BlackWidow?It looks simply perfect for me, but Razer... man... gotta hate their silly marketing ****.So i am a little paranoid regarding razer products.. and in need of your help, again.
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