Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Keyboards › [Official] Mechanical Keyboard Guide
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Official] Mechanical Keyboard Guide - Page 1108

post #11071 of 14551
Quote:
Originally Posted by gorb;12420878 
I think people are overestimating how loud keyboards are

This very much so.

I mean yes if I were in a library setting I would probably be asked to leave, but I don't wake up my girlfriend unless I am going at 90+ wpm and really hitting that space bar.
New Build
(14 items)
 
WIP
(16 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k ASRock Fatal1ty P67 EVGA GTX 580 G.SKILL 2x4GB Sniper 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial M4 256GB Cooler Master GeminII S RR-CCH-PBU1-GP Windows 7 Pro 64-bit Acer G24 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Tenkeyless Blue CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX750  Aurora Razr Mamba 
Mouse PadAudio
Steel Series XL HD Omega Striker 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 122-CK-NF68 NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 Corsair  
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
Corsair  VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS Stock Windows 7 Pro 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G24 Filco Tenkeyless Blues Corsair 650W Gigabyte Aurora 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Mamba XL cloth Omega Striker HD 
  hide details  
Reply
New Build
(14 items)
 
WIP
(16 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k ASRock Fatal1ty P67 EVGA GTX 580 G.SKILL 2x4GB Sniper 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial M4 256GB Cooler Master GeminII S RR-CCH-PBU1-GP Windows 7 Pro 64-bit Acer G24 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Tenkeyless Blue CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX750  Aurora Razr Mamba 
Mouse PadAudio
Steel Series XL HD Omega Striker 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 122-CK-NF68 NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 Corsair  
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
Corsair  VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS Stock Windows 7 Pro 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G24 Filco Tenkeyless Blues Corsair 650W Gigabyte Aurora 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Mamba XL cloth Omega Striker HD 
  hide details  
Reply
post #11072 of 14551
Quote:
Originally Posted by gorb;12420878 
I think people are overestimating how loud keyboards are
Quote:
Originally Posted by bloke226;12421291 
This very much so.

I mean yes if I were in a library setting I would probably be asked to leave, but I don't wake up my girlfriend unless I am going at 90+ wpm and really hitting that space bar.

Ya' think so? thinking.gif
Full-Baked
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 EVGA GTX 470 MSI GTX 470 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
2x4GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 60GB WD Caviar Black 1TB WD Elements External 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Generic ASUS Drive H50 w/ YL D12SH-12 Push/Pull Windows 7 Professional x64 HP ZR22W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Unicomp Spacesaver (Black) Corsair HX650 Storm Sniper B.E. Mionix Naos 5000 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent ATH-AD700 Headphones Audioengine A2 Speakers (Black) Audinst HUD-MX1 DAC 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Mad Catz SSFIV T.E. Fightstick X360 Wired Controller (Black) Mouse Bungee (Black) Logitech USB Desktop Mic (Silver) 
  hide details  
Reply
Full-Baked
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 EVGA GTX 470 MSI GTX 470 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
2x4GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 60GB WD Caviar Black 1TB WD Elements External 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Generic ASUS Drive H50 w/ YL D12SH-12 Push/Pull Windows 7 Professional x64 HP ZR22W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Unicomp Spacesaver (Black) Corsair HX650 Storm Sniper B.E. Mionix Naos 5000 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent ATH-AD700 Headphones Audioengine A2 Speakers (Black) Audinst HUD-MX1 DAC 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Mad Catz SSFIV T.E. Fightstick X360 Wired Controller (Black) Mouse Bungee (Black) Logitech USB Desktop Mic (Silver) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #11073 of 14551
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maytan View Post
I had a Das, and I had quite a time with it. (like lmnop would be able to tell you) In the end, though, the glossy finish scratched really easily, I couldn't get the squeak out of the backspace key (even after two RMAs and three attempts at lubrication), and the lettering was sort of meh on the particular board I had. (it was much better on the one I had pre-RMA)

I had planned to replace it with a Filco, (no gloss!) but the Leopolds have two things I like: detachable USB cable and no more of those damned Costar stabilizers.

I REALLY want a Unicomp. ch123 had convinced me to pick one up awhile back; but soon after that I found myself typing around sleeping people quite often. That's really the only reason I haven't bought one; fear of waking people up with my typing.
Was the Das you had Blue or Brown? In reality, while a buckling spring keyboard is louder than a blue Cherry in a sort of academic quantification kind of way, it's unlikely that someone who would not be woken by a Blue Cherry keyboard would be woken by a buckling spring keyboard.

Besides, there are all sorts of wonderful buckling spring mods involving dental floss and silicon grease
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
post #11074 of 14551
Quote:
Originally Posted by ch_123;12422083 
Was the Das you had Blue or Brown? In reality, while a buckling spring keyboard is louder than a blue Cherry in a sort of academic quantification kind of way, it's unlikely that someone who would not be woken by a Blue Cherry keyboard would be woken by a buckling spring keyboard.

Besides, there are all sorts of wonderful buckling spring mods involving dental floss and silicon grease tongue.gif

Browns, actually. But, as I think I've said before, I HAVE used White Alps. I didn't find their clicking very loud. (not much louder than the clack of my Das' keycaps hitting their mounting plate.)

I mean, if you guys think I could get away with the noise without being too much of a nuisance, I'd probably jump right on it. Said person is a room over, if you're curious.

I still have my WL Grease, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with going through the process of greasing up the springs. I've heard of the floss mod, but I never really looked into it. That could be interesting to try.
Full-Baked
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 EVGA GTX 470 MSI GTX 470 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
2x4GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 60GB WD Caviar Black 1TB WD Elements External 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Generic ASUS Drive H50 w/ YL D12SH-12 Push/Pull Windows 7 Professional x64 HP ZR22W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Unicomp Spacesaver (Black) Corsair HX650 Storm Sniper B.E. Mionix Naos 5000 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent ATH-AD700 Headphones Audioengine A2 Speakers (Black) Audinst HUD-MX1 DAC 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Mad Catz SSFIV T.E. Fightstick X360 Wired Controller (Black) Mouse Bungee (Black) Logitech USB Desktop Mic (Silver) 
  hide details  
Reply
Full-Baked
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 EVGA GTX 470 MSI GTX 470 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
2x4GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 60GB WD Caviar Black 1TB WD Elements External 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Generic ASUS Drive H50 w/ YL D12SH-12 Push/Pull Windows 7 Professional x64 HP ZR22W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Unicomp Spacesaver (Black) Corsair HX650 Storm Sniper B.E. Mionix Naos 5000 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent ATH-AD700 Headphones Audioengine A2 Speakers (Black) Audinst HUD-MX1 DAC 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Mad Catz SSFIV T.E. Fightstick X360 Wired Controller (Black) Mouse Bungee (Black) Logitech USB Desktop Mic (Silver) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #11075 of 14551
It really isn't that loud.
poo
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 920 Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P Sapphire HD 5850 8GB G.Skill PI Black 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
~13 TB Samsung SH-S223L Win7 Pro x64 Dell U2412M 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch Corsair HX620 Corsair 650D Logitech G400 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent Yamaha RX-V795 Energy RC-10 Audio Technica ATH-AD700 
Audio
Chrysalis Bassmatrix-10 
  hide details  
Reply
poo
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 920 Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P Sapphire HD 5850 8GB G.Skill PI Black 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
~13 TB Samsung SH-S223L Win7 Pro x64 Dell U2412M 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch Corsair HX620 Corsair 650D Logitech G400 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent Yamaha RX-V795 Energy RC-10 Audio Technica ATH-AD700 
Audio
Chrysalis Bassmatrix-10 
  hide details  
Reply
post #11076 of 14551
It's not the springs that you grease, it's the inside of the stem on the keycap. The issue with the grease mod is that it's hard to get right, the grease affects the tactility as well as the noise, so if you load on the grease, you end up something that is almost linear in feel. Too little, and there's no difference in the sound. There's a sort of nice balance you can get with reduced sound and retaining most of the tactility. In fact, with a slightly greater amount of grease, you end up with something that sounds and feels like a brown Cherry board.

The floss mod involves stuffing the springs with a length of dental floss. As far as I know, it does not affect the tactility as much as the grease does, but I haven't tried this myself so I can't comment.

Interestingly enough, these mods were all invented by the companies who made buckling spring keyboards. Lexmark used grease in a particular version of the Model M (they greased the spring itself AFAIK) and Unicomp will apply grease if you cough up $40 more and waive your warranty. The floss was an adaptation of an AT&T patent (AT&T made their own buckling spring keyboards too) which concerned the use of foam inside the spring to silence the springs. It's unclear if they actually ever made any of those. Some of IBM's buckling spring-using typewriters had washers around the base of the key barrel to absorb the force and sound of bottoming out, which some people have also tried.
Edited by ch_123 - 2/17/11 at 12:35pm
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
post #11077 of 14551
Quote:
Originally Posted by gorb;12422390 
It really isn't that loud.

Looks like I might just be saving myself quite a lot of waiting, then.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ch_123;12422412 
It's not the springs that you grease, it's the inside of the stem on the keycap. The issue with the grease mod is that it's hard to get right, the grease affects the tactility as well as the noise, so if you load on the grease, you end up something that is almost linear in feel. Too little, and there's no difference in the sound. There's a sort of nice balance you can get with reduced sound and retaining most of the tactility. In fact, with a slightly greater amount of grease, you end up with something that sounds and feels like a brown Cherry board.

Ah, I see. That's definitely something I'm not cut-out for, then. tongue.gif
Quote:
The floss mod involves stuffing the springs with a length of dental floss. As far as I know, it does not affect the tactility as much as the grease does, but I haven't tried this myself so I can't comment.

That seems easy and simple enough. Not really anything I can mess up. I am curious, now that you mention it, as to how that'd effect the tactility though.
Quote:
Interestingly enough, these mods were all invented by the people who made buckling spring keyboards. Lexmark used grease in a particular version of the Model M (they greased the spring themselves though) and Unicomp will apply grease if you cough up $40 more and waive your warranty. The floss was an adaptation of an AT&T patent (AT&T made their own buckling spring keyboards too) which concerned the use of foam inside the spring to silence the springs. It's unclear if they actually ever made any of those. Some of IBM's typewriters had washers around the base of the key barrel to absorb the force and sound of bottoming out, which some people have also tried.

That's really interesting. To think there's so much backstory behind a single keyboard (or modification for that matter) is quite incredible.
Full-Baked
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 EVGA GTX 470 MSI GTX 470 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
2x4GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 60GB WD Caviar Black 1TB WD Elements External 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Generic ASUS Drive H50 w/ YL D12SH-12 Push/Pull Windows 7 Professional x64 HP ZR22W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Unicomp Spacesaver (Black) Corsair HX650 Storm Sniper B.E. Mionix Naos 5000 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent ATH-AD700 Headphones Audioengine A2 Speakers (Black) Audinst HUD-MX1 DAC 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Mad Catz SSFIV T.E. Fightstick X360 Wired Controller (Black) Mouse Bungee (Black) Logitech USB Desktop Mic (Silver) 
  hide details  
Reply
Full-Baked
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 EVGA GTX 470 MSI GTX 470 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
2x4GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 60GB WD Caviar Black 1TB WD Elements External 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Generic ASUS Drive H50 w/ YL D12SH-12 Push/Pull Windows 7 Professional x64 HP ZR22W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Unicomp Spacesaver (Black) Corsair HX650 Storm Sniper B.E. Mionix Naos 5000 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent ATH-AD700 Headphones Audioengine A2 Speakers (Black) Audinst HUD-MX1 DAC 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Mad Catz SSFIV T.E. Fightstick X360 Wired Controller (Black) Mouse Bungee (Black) Logitech USB Desktop Mic (Silver) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #11078 of 14551
This guide should answer your questions.

The guy who wrote it is a dentist. I **** you not.
Edited by ch_123 - 2/17/11 at 12:37pm
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
post #11079 of 14551
Oh wow, that seems to work pretty nice; it's definitely something I could try out.

But you know, if Gorb is right, I might get away with it unsilenced, which would be ideal. (I personally do like the ping)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ch_123;12422583 
The guy who wrote it is a dentist. I **** you not.

Seriously? Haha, that made my day.
Full-Baked
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 EVGA GTX 470 MSI GTX 470 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
2x4GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 60GB WD Caviar Black 1TB WD Elements External 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Generic ASUS Drive H50 w/ YL D12SH-12 Push/Pull Windows 7 Professional x64 HP ZR22W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Unicomp Spacesaver (Black) Corsair HX650 Storm Sniper B.E. Mionix Naos 5000 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent ATH-AD700 Headphones Audioengine A2 Speakers (Black) Audinst HUD-MX1 DAC 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Mad Catz SSFIV T.E. Fightstick X360 Wired Controller (Black) Mouse Bungee (Black) Logitech USB Desktop Mic (Silver) 
  hide details  
Reply
Full-Baked
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 EVGA GTX 470 MSI GTX 470 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
2x4GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 60GB WD Caviar Black 1TB WD Elements External 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Generic ASUS Drive H50 w/ YL D12SH-12 Push/Pull Windows 7 Professional x64 HP ZR22W 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Unicomp Spacesaver (Black) Corsair HX650 Storm Sniper B.E. Mionix Naos 5000 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent ATH-AD700 Headphones Audioengine A2 Speakers (Black) Audinst HUD-MX1 DAC 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Mad Catz SSFIV T.E. Fightstick X360 Wired Controller (Black) Mouse Bungee (Black) Logitech USB Desktop Mic (Silver) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #11080 of 14551
It really depends on the condition of the board. When the plastic rivets pop and the springs wear (we're talking over the space of several years, not a few months like a Cherry) they started to get pingier. My SSK with the plastic rivets replaced with screws and bolts, and the springs replaced with new Unicomp ones isn't particularly loud.
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Keyboards
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Keyboards › [Official] Mechanical Keyboard Guide