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Originally Posted by Tator Tot;12560558 
I think I'll add an introductory portion to the guide

Here's what I'm thinking (forgive as it's just off the top of my head):
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Introduction - A Switch is not just a switch

Many users ask for recommendations about switches while they do not fully understand what they are looking for, but only with an idea of what their needs are. This is not always bad as most mechanical switches will always feel nicer than rubber domes.

It is important though; a switch is not just a switch, it is the heart of what makes your keyboard have it's feel. Switches are generally rated by force using the measurements of Grams (g) though force is more accurately described with Centinewtons (cN.) Values in this switch over view are described in cN. Though both values are interchangeable in this instance. So a 55g Switch would be the same as saying it was a 55cN Switch.
It's very good, but I'd like to offer my services as an editor. Check this out (changes are in red, and I used bold because I feel it's easier on the eyes when using red text):

Introduction - A Switch is Not "Just a Switch" (I like to use bold for titles)

Many people ask for recommendations about switches without knowing exactly what they are looking for, but instead only with an idea of what their needs are. Fortunately, this is not always a problem because most mechanical switches will always feel nicer than rubber domes. However, the final choice is very important because a switch is not just a switch; it is the heart of what makes your keyboard have its feel.

Switches are generally rated by force using the weight measurement of Grams (g). Although force is more accurately described using Centinewtons (cN), so values in this switch overview are described in cN. However, 1g of weight applies about 1cN of downward force, so we can use "55g" when describing a 55cN-rated switch because that is sometimes easier to understand.


I would also try to add something that explains how Grams is a measurement of weight, and so when saying that the Cherry MX Blues have a peak force of 60g, it means that it takes the weight of approximately 60 grams to press the switch down past the tactile "bump". Of course, it also needs to be explained that 1g of weight is approximately the same as 1cN of force. I think that there might even be some people who may enjoy understanding that one reason why we feel that these two units of measurement are interchangeable is because some people find it easier to understand Grams because we're more familiar with how different weights feel as opposed to different measurements of force. Plus, we're talking about a downward force here. Unlike Grams, Centinewtons doesn't rely on gravity.

And so due to using cN to describe a downward force, and since 1g applies about 1cN of downward force, we have the luxury of being able to use either unit of measurement. But of course, a true scientist would have a conniption over this!

It should also be clarified that the point at which the Cherry MX Blues actually sends the keystroke signal is at 50cN of force (or with 50g of weight on the switch). smile.gif But I'm just offering a different way to describe it, so I'm splitting hairs now.

Anyway, I guess it's probably obvious by now that I would love to be your editor. As you may have noticed, I enjoy maximizing the readability of anything (I've been told that I would be a very good tech writer). Plus, I have Microsoft Word which actually does an excellent job of catching all errors in both grammar and style in order to help arrive at the absolute best readability. However, I won't start analyzing the rest of the guide unless you ask me to. wink.gif
Edited by TwoCables - 3/1/11 at 11:57am
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I would leave out Cn entirely. Grams get the point across, and Cn just confuses people. All the guide should really do is provide a very rough estimate for people who much force each of the switches take to press.

Going into how grams are a measurement of weight and stuff like that would really be completely off-topic to this guide, which is more geared towards people who haven't used a mechanical at all before.
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Originally Posted by Crazy9000;12571600 
I would leave out Cn entirely. Grams get the point across, and Cn just confuses people. All the guide should really do is provide a very rough estimate for people who much force each of the switches take to press.

Going into how grams are a measurement of weight and stuff like that would really be completely off-topic to this guide, which is more geared towards people who haven't used a mechanical at all before.
But knowing this gave me a much better understanding of how much force was required to press each of the switches back when I was shopping for my first (and only) mechanical keyboard.

At that time, I was confused about why the guide was using grams when the official documentations use Centinewtons. But once I learned that 1g of weight applies about 1cN of downward force, I instantly understood things on a much deeper level that made it significantly easier for me to choose a switch.
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My argument is most people don't know or care about what a Cn is tongue.gif. I don't ever see Cn mentioned on a keyboards spec sheet really, they usually refer to it in grams.

Most people will not get confused because they will never naturally come across the term "Centinewtons" in their search for a keyboard. In fact, adding that term in when nobody else is using it will only confuse people.
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Originally Posted by runeazn;12569379 
oh btw the red switches are now not hard to find sicne they will be available in the normal catalogusses so like the blues and browns but they will be more expensive.

als note filco has a red cherry switch board with
1 order limited per household with a limit of 3 items a order
http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/det.php?prod_c=746

i need to quote myself for this awesomeness?
filco red chery guys!!
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Originally Posted by Crazy9000;12571600 
I would leave out Cn entirely. Grams get the point across, and Cn just confuses people. All the guide should really do is provide a very rough estimate for people who much force each of the switches take to press.

Going into how grams are a measurement of weight and stuff like that would really be completely off-topic to this guide, which is more geared towards people who haven't used a mechanical at all before.

I'm going to agree here. Grams are a far more intuitive unit to use, even if it isn't the official unit of force.
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Originally Posted by Crazy9000;12571675 
My argument is most people don't know or care about what a Cn is tongue.gif. I don't ever see Cn mentioned on a keyboards spec sheet really, they usually refer to it in grams.

Most people will not get confused because they will never naturally come across the term "Centinewtons" in their search for a keyboard. In fact, adding that term in when nobody else is using it will only confuse people.

Cherry's specs refer to cN. A lot of keyswitch designs were made back in the days when kilogram-force was a commonly used unit of force measurement, which explains why you don't see it a lot elsewhere. I think Topre uses grams though.
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post #11227 of 14551
I couldn't give a nickel about centi-newtons.

I could give 5g or 4.903325cn at sea level earth. In Holland it's even closer to 5.
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Originally Posted by ripster;12571759 
I couldn't give a nickel about centi-newtons.

I could give 5g or 4.903325cn at sea level earth. In Holland it's even closer to 5.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5171/5416803582_79abd11ef4_z.jpg

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@TwoCables,
I'll take it into considering and have another draft up soon. I'll post when I made the changes.

@Runazn,
Cherry Reds are rare, but not that good. They are light, linear switches. Nothing exciting about them.

@Ripster, is that the official RipOmeter?
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I've got two of them.

Pretty accurate I'd say.
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