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Performance PC's ships internationally. They don't gouge the price too bad. They don't have the Ice tactile in stock, but they do have the frost tactile...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=53_85_233&products_id=26846
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Originally Posted by seesee View Post
I thinking of converting to a Noppoo Choc Mini (Brown) keyboard from a regular keyboard.

I'm worried about the keyboard layout, is there any learning curves? I am a software programmer, would it reduce my coding efficiency and comfort level?
I would say so, but given a month you should get used it it. I've used keyboards with similar layouts, and no matter what; it's a bit of a pain to get used to at first.

The biggest issue I ran into is I want to throw my pinkys out farther than they needed to be, hitting the edge of the shift and enter keys usually.

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Originally Posted by jayblast View Post
Hi,

I posted on this forum a couple of pages back to ask for advices and directions (Page 1132 if I recall correctly). Obviously concerning mechanical keyboards.

Anyway, after computing all the elements my mind is now set. I know what I want:

Deck Legend Ice Tactile PS2/PC Windows.
Please do help a fellow typer in need,
--Jay
My Keyboard, the Frost Tactile is available from Performance PC's who is a trusted PC Parts shop in the US. The LED's are white instead of blue, but personally look the best.
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TwoCables edit.
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Currently, it is the most common way to get N Key Rollover (but NKRO must be a listed feature of the keyboard). It used to be the only way until the Noppoo Choc Mini and the Ducky DK-9008-G2 came along.
Technically I still think the Sidewinder X4 and Microsoft R&D (Paul Dietz and crew) deserves the credit here.

The Chinese came along and cloned it like they always do. And THEN they broke the OSX interface. At least Microsoft made sure their solution was compatible among multiple platforms, OS's, BIOS's and configurations.

Why all the Microsoft hate here? And Apple hate for that matter - that is if you are going to push the Noppoo and Ducky G2 as preferred solutions?
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Mr. TwoCables usually only writes about the mechanical keyboards. The x4 is a good board and one of the best among non-mechanical. It actually may be my next board if its quiet (thanks to my wife's sensitive ears). But it's place in not in the mechanical keyboard guide
 
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Didn't the Das 3 do it first by emulating the interface of two keyboards, and the functionality of none?

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Das 3 had 12KRO.
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Quote:
"The buckling action of the spring provides this switch's tactile feedback along with a satisfying "click!" when it hits the shaft wall."
See here (Wait a little while as the pictures load up, it will jump to the right section when done)

The click comes from the buckling of the spring (this can be shown by getting a buckling spring assembly, a keycap, and pressing them together) In fact, given that the release of a buckling spring key makes more noise than the initial press, some people (myself included) believe that the spring hitting the side has a muffling effect. I think this has been shown somewhat by experimentation.

The acoustics of the keyboard account for a lot of the noise.

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This is also the only mechanical switch where both the tactile and audible feedback happen at the exact moment of actuation.
Nope.

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Note: "Buckling Spring" keyboards are actually "membrane" keyboards, but we place it in the Mechanical Keyboard category because the switch is very mechanical.
I wouldn't bother including this. The guide should have some brief mention of contact mechanisms. See here for an outline of the more common (or uncommon but interesting) ones.
Edited by ch_123 - 3/9/11 at 8:41am
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Argghh, I am doomed.

The frost tactile could have worked, but it's USB, meaning no NKRO unless some serious modding (as advertised on deck's official forum).

Yours,
--Jay
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Das 3 had 12KRO.
True. I wonder why the No Poo needed to emulate three different keyboards to make NKRO work...
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TwoCables edit.


Technically I still think the Sidewinder X4 and Microsoft R&D (Paul Dietz and crew) deserves the credit here.

The Chinese came along and cloned it like they always do. And THEN they broke the OSX interface. At least Microsoft made sure their solution was compatible among multiple platforms, OS's, BIOS's and configurations.

Why all the Microsoft hate here? And Apple hate for that matter - that is if you are going to push the Noppoo and Ducky G2 as preferred solutions?
It's a Mechanical Keyboard Guide, not a plain "Keyboard Guide". Why should I start blurring the lines? NKRO is NKRO. It's when there's completely unlimited key rollover. I refuse to let this Guide say that a keyboard has NKRO if it has 26KRO because that is incorrect. Opinions don't matter in this context because we have to deal with facts. That's the purpose of a guide. The purpose of any good guide does not include causing others to have the same opinions as you. However, I suppose I could say something like, "Some people feel that we may as well just say that the Sidewinder X4 has NKRO because no one is ever going to press 26 keys at the same time", but that wouldn't benefit anyone.

Regarding my mention of the Noppoo and Ducky: I have been informed that these are currently the only two mechanical keyboards that offer true NKRO (do I really have to say "true NKRO" now?) through USB. The Sidewinder X4 does not; it is still just 26KRO.

I want this guide to be as accurate and as educational as possible while not confusing anyone (by doing things like saying, "Well, it's 26KRO, so that's good enough to call it NKRO in my book").

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Originally Posted by ch_123 View Post
See here (Wait a little while as the pictures load up, it will jump to the right section when done)

The click comes from the buckling of the spring (this can be shown by getting a buckling spring assembly, a keycap, and pressing them together) In fact, given that the release of a buckling spring key makes more noise than the initial press, some people (myself included) believe that the spring hitting the side has a muffling effect. I think this has been shown somewhat by experimentation.

The acoustics of the keyboard account for a lot of the noise.
The information in my edit is what I had to work with. But now I will correct it the next time I am up to it (after I get some sleep between now and then).

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Originally Posted by ch_123 View Post
Nope.
Again, the information in my edit is what I had to work with.

But can you correct this part for me in your own words?

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I wouldn't bother including this. The guide should have some brief mention of contact mechanisms. See here for an outline of the more common (or uncommon but interesting) ones.
The reason why I mentioned it is because I have noticed that the uninitiated/inexperienced people are easily confused when someone calls the Model M a "membrane" keyboard. So this way they will understand exactly what the experts are talking about if/when they refer to the Model M as a "membrane" keyboard.


Finally: is Cherry really discontinuing the MX Clears? If so, then I want to provide solid proof in the guide.
Edited by TwoCables - 3/9/11 at 9:04am
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