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Well to be specific how about: "The Ducky G2 and Noppoo are NKRO under Windows and Linux and 0KRO under OSX?"
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The silent version of the Das Keyboard Professional Model S uses Cherry Brown's amirite? I'm considering getting rid of my BlackWidow for it.
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Originally Posted by ripster View Post
Well to be specific how about: "The Ducky G2 and Noppoo are NKRO under Windows and Linux and 0KRO under OSX?"
I won't word it like that, but now I know to say that they aren't compatible with OSX (according to what you're saying).

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The silent version of the Das Keyboard Professional Model S uses Cherry Brown's amirite? I'm considering getting rid of my BlackWidow for it.
Indeed. They call it the "Silent" because the Browns are tactile and non-clicky. The Cherry MX Blues are both tactile and clicky.
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Again, the information in my edit is what I had to work with.

But can you correct this part for me in your own words?
There's nothing to say on this one. In any click switch design I can think of, the clicking in generated by the tactile mechanism. The clicking may in some cases occur just a little bit after the tactility, but they are generated by the same process either way.

There's the issue of tactility and actuation being separate, which occurs in the Alps and possibly the Cherry MX too. The tactile point of the buckling springs occurs in the same place as the point of actuation. However, this is all very academic as you aren't likely to note it during typing, and thus not worth noting in this guide.

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The reason why I mentioned it is because I have noticed that the uninitiated/inexperienced people are easily confused when someone calls the Model M a "membrane" keyboard. So this way they will understand exactly what the experts are talking about if/when they refer to the Model M as a "membrane" keyboard.
I think there's a danger in addressing the misconception without actually addressing the underlying issue - i.e. people assuming that membrane keyboard is a pseudonym for a rubber dome keyboard because they are unfamiliar with the idea of a contact mechanism.

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Finally: is Cherry really discontinuing the MX Clears? If so, then I want to provide solid proof in the guide.
See here
Edited by ch_123 - 3/9/11 at 12:01pm
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post #11395 of 14564
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It says in the thread that they are discontinued in Asia and the MOQ from Germany was raised.

So it's still possible for people to get them and boards to be made with them.

More so, I already know of a board in production with Clear's that isn't a Deck.
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Oh, I missed that minimum order part. Not sure if Deck (or indeed anyone) is going to be buying in enough of them to meet that minimum though.

Other than Cherry and Deck, I cant think of anyone who made Clear switch keyboards.
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Oh, I missed that minimum order part. Not sure if Deck (or indeed anyone) is going to be buying in enough of them to meet that minimum though.

Other than Cherry and Deck, I cant think of anyone who made Clear switch keyboards.
Ducky used them on a mixed switch keyboard.

I do believe someone else did as well. I know that Deck & Cherry boards were far more common though.
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There's nothing to say on this one. In any click switch design I can think of, the clicking in generated by the tactile mechanism. The clicking may in some cases occur just a little bit after the tactility, but they are generated by the same process either way.

There's the issue of tactility and actuation being separate, which occurs in the Alps and possibly the Cherry MX too. The tactile point of the buckling springs occurs in the same place as the point of actuation. However, this is all very academic as you aren't likely to note it during typing, and thus not worth noting in this guide.
But with the Buckling Springs, do all three occur simultaneously? I mean, does the click, tactile feedback, and the actuation all happen at the exact same time?


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I think there's a danger in addressing the misconception without actually addressing the underlying issue - i.e. people assuming that membrane keyboard is a pseudonym for a rubber dome keyboard because they are unfamiliar with the idea of a contact mechanism.
I'll ask Tator Tot too.

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Oh, I see what's happening now. Thank you!

I had a line in my proposed Edit that said Cherry was discontinuing the Clears, but I removed it in light of this.
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But with the Buckling Springs, do all three occur simultaneously? I mean, does the click, tactile feedback, and the actuation all happen at the exact same time?
Yes it does. There may be like a milisecond delay. Though in all practical purposes, it's all at the same time.

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I'll ask Tator Tot too.
I don't think I get what the question is?
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Yes it does. There may be like a milisecond delay. Though in all practical purposes, it's all at the same time.


I don't think I get what the question is?
Here's my question: should I include this little note below the description of the Buckling Springs?

"Note: "Buckling Spring" keyboards are actually "membrane" keyboards, but we place it in the Mechanical Keyboard category because the switch is very mechanical."

My reason for proposing it is that it seems easy for people who are new to the world of mechanical keyboards to become confused when an expert refers to the Model M as a "membrane" keyboard. So, I want to reduce the chances of such a person becoming confused.
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