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post #11511 of 14551
Thanks for the response!

Yes I like the stifness of the Fukkas bettter. They seem to take less force.

I have also had two keyboards with the Cherry blacks and have not been able to use... One a Deck that I returned. Really nice board but blacks do not work for me... The other an ergo board.

I also tried the HHK2 and found the keys not to my liking but I perhaps did not get it a fair enough try...
post #11512 of 14551
Yeah, the Fukkas are 60g switches, whereas the buckling springs are 65-70g, and the complicated White Alps like the one in your Northgate would also be 70g. There's an older Alps switch, the Blue Alps, which are also 60g, and have the same tactility as the complicated White Alps switches (I've been told that Fukkas don't feel as substantial as the original complicated Alps switches, but I don't know to what extent given that I have not typed on one). The Blue Alps are rare, and when they do appear, the Asian keyboard collectors are all over them.

If you want to go even lighter than the Fukka switch, the Blue Cherry might be of interest. Compared with the complicated Alps switches I've used, they don't feel as 'meaty' or substiantial. On the upside, it's much harder to bottom out on Blue Cherry switches than any of the Alps or Alps like switches.

Another slightly more esoteric recommendation would be the IBM Model F. They used an older implementation of the buckling spring switch which requires less force (about 60-65g) and they're a lot more tactile than the Model M/Unicomp's buckling springs. However, the only keyboard that is readily PC compatible of this type is this fellow -

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The IBM PC AT keyboard. Built like a tank, has full NKRO, but somewhat hard to find, and has an archaic layout. Finest tactile switching mechanism to be used on a PC-compatible keyboard though.
Edited by ch_123 - 3/13/11 at 6:13pm
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ch_123, do white alps bottom out as easily as black alps?
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post #11514 of 14551
Yes, the bottoming out problem is inherent in tactile/clicky Alps switches - any switch where the tactile point is high up in the travel tends to have this problem, the Topres are another example of this. Bottoming out on a Topre is like typing on a pillow, so it isn't problematic for them.

My opinions on the White Alps are formed by a single switch that I installed on my Blue Alps keyboard, so I can't say that I have personal experience of regular typing on a White Alps board. I have experience with Black Alps and Cream Alps in addition to the Blue Alps. The Blue Alps bottom out easily, but they're lighter than Black Alps so they don't come down so hard. The White Alps probably would bottom out quite hard during normal typing on them given that they are as stiff as Black Alps.

There are dampened sliders for Alps switches (Cream Alps) which absorb the force of bottoming out, but given that you bottom out on Alps a lot, I find they make the switches feel mushy.
Edited by ch_123 - 3/13/11 at 6:00pm
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post #11515 of 14551
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables;12709490 
Alright. Then I'll wait until you tell me that I can continue.

I'll enjoy it too because one post can take a while. lol smile.gif

Thank you, Tator Tot! I'm very happy honored to have this privilege.

You guys could maybe proceed much faster when using a revision control system or Google Docs (which has a web-enabled VCS integrated). Unfortunately, that would imply moving the current guide to some other system. - I respect your desire to keep the guide here, even though I believe vBulletin is hugely suboptimal for authoring such content.

Alternatively, the guide could be web-scraped on a regular basis, uploaded into a VCS and the revisions could be diffed easily. Considering how little time it took for me to create a web-to-RSS converter for this thread it shouldn't take long either.
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In the future we will have a better system in place; right now though, Google Doc's limited implementation for web based embedding keeps us from using it more than a list or sign up form.
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post #11517 of 14551
Quote:
Originally Posted by ch_123;12717089 
Yeah, the Fukkas are 60g switches, whereas the buckling springs are 65-70g, and the complicated White Alps like the one in your Northgate would also be 70g. There's an older Alps switch, the Blue Alps, which are also 60g, and have the same tactility as the complicated White Alps switches (I've been told that Fukkas don't feel as substantial as the original complicated Alps switches, but I don't know to what extent given that I have not typed on one). The Blue Alps are rare, and when they do appear, the Asian keyboard collectors are all over them.

If you want to go even lighter than the Fukka switch, the Blue Cherry might be of interest. Compared with the complicated Alps switches I've used, they don't feel as 'meaty' or substiantial. On the upside, it's much harder to bottom out on Blue Cherry switches than any of the Alps or Alps like switches.

Another slightly more esoteric recommendation would be the IBM Model F. They used an older implementation of the buckling spring switch which requires less force (about 60-65g) and they're a lot more tactile than the Model M/Unicomp's buckling springs. However, the only keyboard that is readily PC compatible of this type is this fellow -


The IBM PC AT keyboard. Built like a tank, has full NKRO, but somewhat hard to find, and has an archaic layout. Finest tactile switching mechanism to be used on a PC-compatible keyboard though.

Thanks Again for the response!

I use to have an IBM Model F as my very first keyboard... I should have never let that one go... Hopefully someone is still using it. :-)

The white Fukkas are getting the job done. I do prefer the Fujitsu Keyboards that are now discontinued. They had a very light click. I am not sure what switched they use. I thought they might use the same keys as the HHK2 as PFU is a fujitsu company.... However they do not...

Thanks for all of the help. I am for sure going for the blue cherrys.

I am considering one of the following:

Leopold FC200R
Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless

Are there any other tenkeyless boards to consider that use Blue Cherrys?

Best Wishes :-)
post #11518 of 14551
Quote:
Originally Posted by mondalaci;12721339 
You guys could maybe proceed much faster when using a revision control system or Google Docs (which has a web-enabled VCS integrated). Unfortunately, that would imply moving the current guide to some other system. - I respect your desire to keep the guide here, even though I believe vBulletin is hugely suboptimal for authoring such content.

Alternatively, the guide could be web-scraped on a regular basis, uploaded into a VCS and the revisions could be diffed easily. Considering how little time it took for me to create a web-to-RSS converter for this thread it shouldn't take long either.
But for me, using vBulletin is honestly as easy as breathing, walking, tying my shoes, etc. So I mean, it might not be a good idea for me to start using a different system because then I'd have to slow down while I ride the learning curve.
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post #11519 of 14551
I just got my Filco.

I have a problem though, it doesn't work in anything with PS/2 EXCEPT Linux. Basically it doesn't work in BIOS (can't even get in bios with it), in GRUB, or Windows.

Any ideas?

Thanks. smile.gif
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Do you have PS/2 support enabled in your BIOS?

And did you plug it into the PS/2 port with the computer shut down?
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