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The others are benefits as well. They may not be noticable, but then again, most of us don't notice 3Ghz from 4Ghz most of the time. We still go the extra step so we've got the best of the best.

It is a benefit.

You shouldn't find it hard to offer suggestions as there are only 10 posts to look at. You don't need to worry about the rest.
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I don't see a difference in latencies between USB and PS/2.

Do you?
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I could do a latency test and show you.
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The introduction to the guide never actually defines what a mechanical keyswitch is.

Also, the section for the SIIG JK keyboard reports that dirt getting into the switch causes problems. For the sake of consistency, I'd suggest either removing this, or adding the same section to every Cherry keyboard...
Edited by ch_123 - 4/13/11 at 3:07am
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Originally Posted by ripster View Post
I don't see a difference in latencies between USB and PS/2.

Do you?
Just because you can't notice the difference doesn't mean it isn't there. Also, there is a good amount of people that would be interested in using ps/2 just because it COULD give them the slightest of advantages. Even if you can't A/B the response time, if one responds just the littlest bit faster, you could have your key respond before the other persons does.

The very slight inconvenience of ps/2 is well worth the benefits for a large amount of people. For example, my keyboard sits plugged into my computer all day, without ever moving. I would say most people are in this situation. Also, most motherboards still ship with ps/2 ports on them.

There is literally NO reason to choose USB over PS/2, unless they want to use the keyboard with a laptop, or they change keyboards often. The macro keyboards that need USB don't offer ps/2 models, so that really isn't a point in a ps/2 vs USB discussion.
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if you wish to say things are wrong without pointing out what is, then please be quiet.
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Just because you can't notice the difference doesn't mean it isn't there. Also, there is a good amount of people that would be interested in using ps/2 just because it COULD give them the slightest of advantages. Even if you can't A/B the response time, if one responds just the littlest bit faster, you could have your key respond before the other persons does.

The very slight inconvenience of ps/2 is well worth the benefits for a large amount of people. For example, my keyboard sits plugged into my computer all day, without ever moving. I would say most people are in this situation. Also, most motherboards still ship with ps/2 ports on them.

There is literally NO reason to choose USB over PS/2, unless they want to use the keyboard with a laptop, or they change keyboards often. The macro keyboards that need USB don't offer ps/2 models, so that really isn't a point in a ps/2 vs USB discussion.
I seriously doubt thousands of pro level gamers are on PS/2.

The logic of the "Every Last Bit Of Latency Counts Because it's OCN" contradicts this section of the OCN Mechanical Keyboard Guide. And I DO NOT see any Razer Black Widow users claiming to see a difference either.

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Polling Rates and Response Times
While it is very useful for mice, it's just about meaningless for keyboards. Let's assume for a minute that all switches have the 5ms debouncing time of Cherry MX switches (which is being very generous). Even if you had super human speed and reflexes, every single key would be delayed by at least that much. So really, any polling rate over 200Hz (at best) is absolutely useless, and nothing but market hype. It may even be a bit detrimental, because you'd be wasting CPU time polling the keyboard unneededly. And unlike USB keyboards, PS/2 boards aren't polled at all. They simply send the signal to the PC whenever they are ready to, which causes a hardware interrupt, forcing the CPU to register that keystroke.
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The introduction to the guide never actually defines what a mechanical keyswitch is.

Also, the section for the SIIG JK keyboard reports that dirt getting into the switch causes problems. For the sake of consistency, I'd suggest either removing this, or adding the same section to every Cherry keyboard...
I think I'm going to add that to both the MX-Blue and Alps sections actually.

As for the opening; I haven't really found a good definition of what a mechanical switch is that fits BS, Alps, and Cherry MX switches yet. I want a definition that is broad enough to cover most switches while still staying relevant.

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I seriously doubt thousands of pro level gamers are on PS/2.

The logic of the "Every Last Bit Of Latency Counts Because it's OCN" contradicts this section of the OCN Mechanical Keyboard Guide. And I DO NOT see any Razer Black Widow users claiming to see a difference either.
No it doesn't, as it says that the key delay will stop you before polling speed. The Keybounce delay is a larger factor in that case, and one you cannot change.

At this point, you are trolling based on a conflict of interests. PS/2 is better and you do not like that fact. For what reason, I can't understand.

If you have any other suggestions, let me know.
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Well, thanks for listening anyway!
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As for the opening; I haven't really found a good definition of what a mechanical switch is that fits BS, Alps, and Cherry MX switches yet. I want a definition that is broad enough to cover most switches while still staying relevant.
I like mine. It acknowledges the meaningless nature of its contemporary usage before giving a technically correct definition.
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