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The build quality of the G80-3000s aren't amazing, but there's no problems with them as per se. They have good keycaps though IIRC. Great keyboard for the money.
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It's like I said before, if you use PS/2 then in windows (Because you don't have the ability to use the USB Driver provided by Matias) you loose some functionality.
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just realised that the razer bw only has a 2kro... ***!? thats off the list then...

Back to square one lol, need to decide on the switch to use and then what keyboard frown.gif. Why cant pcworld or something have mechanical keyboards on show to try!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tator Tot;14167977 
It's like I said before, if you use PS/2 then in windows (Because you don't have the ability to use the USB Driver provided by Matias) you loose some functionality.

I think there is some sort of misunderstanding going on here. Allow me to spell out my query.

The claim has been made that the Tactile Pro supports NKRO when used via the PS/2 interface. The Tactile Pro is a USB keyboard. Thus, in order for us to use the Tactile Pro on PS/2, some sort of USB-PS/2 adapter must be used. In order for a USB keyboard to support such an adapter, the controller has to be designed in such a way that it sends both PS/2 and USB signals over the cable. Most keyboards do not do this, so in most cases, these adapters do not work. The likelihood that the Tactile Pro supports such an adapter is diminished further by the fact that it's designed for systems which do not have PS/2 ports.

Thus, unless I see someone saying that they have hooked their Tactile Pro up to a USB-PS/2 adapter, connected it to a PS/2 port, and be able to use it, I'm inclined to call bull****.
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just realised that the razer bw only has a 2kro... ***!? thats off the list then...

Back to square one lol, need to decide on the switch to use and then what keyboard frown.gif. Why cant pcworld or something have mechanical keyboards on show to try!

There's nothing wrong with 2KRO, most keyboards out there are 2KRO.

Unlike the guide in the OP would imply, 2KRO does not mean that you can only press down two keys at once, it means that certain combinations of more than 2 keys get dropped. This is the behavior of about 99% of keyboards out there.
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Originally Posted by hicks12;14168165 
just realised that the razer bw only has a 2kro... ***!? thats off the list then...

Back to square one lol, need to decide on the switch to use and then what keyboard frown.gif. Why cant pcworld or something have mechanical keyboards on show to try!
It does feature a "gaming optimized" matrix.

Though, as far as what blocks and what doesn't.......well Razer doesn't publish that information.
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Originally Posted by ch_123;14168248 
I think there is some sort of misunderstanding going on here. Allow me to spell out my query.

The claim has been made that the Tactile Pro supports NKRO when via the PS/2 interface. The Tactile Pro is a USB keyboard. Thus, in order for us to use the Tactile Pro on PS/2, some sort of USB-PS/2 adapter must be used. In order for a USB keyboard to support such an adapter, the controller has to be designed in such a way that it sends both PS/2 and USB signals over the cable. Most keyboards do not do this, so in most cases, these adapters do not work. The likelihood that the Tactile Pro supports such an adapter is diminished further by the fact that it's designed for systems which do not have PS/2 ports.

Thus, unless I see someone saying that they have hooked their Tactile Pro up to a USB-PS/2 adapter, connected it to a PS/2 port, and be able to use it, I'm inclined to call bull.

Well I'll figure that out for sure as I have a TP3 in my collection.


As a side discussion:
Is anyone offering a longer than 1 year warranty on their keyboards?
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Unicomp who offers a 18 Month warranty.

Razer, Steel Series, Zowie, Mionix, Leopold, Rosewill, ABS, Filco, Deck, Ducky, Topre/Realforce, PFU HHKB, & X-Armor were/are all 1 year.

EDIT: Q-Pad's version of the U9BL offers a 2 year warranty.
Edited by Tator Tot - 7/10/11 at 10:56am
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What are the switches like in the TP3? I'm not sure whether they are Strongman like the Guide claims (Strongman ceased production some time ago) or Forward ones like the ones in the Filco Zero and ABS M1.
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@tator tot, i had a look at steelseries website earlier and it says a 2 year warranty and also razer gives a 2 year warranty.

Just found this post somewhere:
"ASX (diagonal move and comms)
WDE (diagonal move and open door)
SDC (diagonal move and try to crouch)
WAQ (diagonal move and toss grenade)
CTRL-AQ (crawling and toss grenade)
ESDF variations with other keys (for ESDF players)
ARROW KEY cluster and a bunch of other keys (for you lefties)
CAPSLOCK-LSHIFT-S If you using the Capslock for CTRL this particular key combo can be a pain while doing some general software. Interestingly enough this key combo PASSES on Unicomp Spacesavers. Don’t assume the behavior of all 2KRO keyboards are the same. In this case Unicomp must use a different matrix to pick up the Windows keys and so it fails WAX, a combo that passes in the IBM Model M.
All work except CTRL-AQ.

2 key rollover on the arrow keys.

Space bar doesn't effect rollover much when compared to without spacebar.

And... well, I can't test everything. It has better n-key than a typical keyboard, but it is definitely not n-key and optimization is pretty much limited to the WASD and equivalent clusters, excluding the arrow keys."

Back to switches, am i understanding it correctly that i.e

MXblue = Clicky/tactile response so you can feel/hear the actuation point
MXblack = no click and no tactile response so you only hear it when you bottom out
MXbrown = tactile response at actuation point but no click


Is that right? I see the SS 7g and like it more and more but the black with no feedback seems a bit pointless, and the razer BW has a glossy finish (seriously what idiot designed the aesthetics, glossy + hands!?) and it seems mxblue can have a problem with double tapping.

Its so hard to decide on a switch when i cant go anywhere to try some out! frown.gif.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ch_123;14168448 
What are the switches like in the TP3? I'm not sure whether they are Strongman like the Guide claims (Strongman ceased production some time ago) or Forward ones like the ones in the Filco Zero and ABS M1.
They're clicky Alps, they definitely are not the same as the ABS M1; as far as my "super precise" finger tests go, they are lighter than the ABS M1 by a small margin (I'd say 5G or so) with a more crisp and defined click.

The Locks keys are linear alps though (they are not a well defined green color, but more like "tinted" green.)

I don't have a Filco Zero to compare against, but I do have a Solidtek 6600 which in comparison is a bit more stiff (in line with the ABS M1) though the "click" sound and feel is very similar to the Matias.

Out of the 5 Alps boards I have (Matias, Dell, ABS, Solidtek & Ducky) the Matias definitely feels like it has the best swtiches.

According to Sixty; Strong Man is the OEM for Matias boards as well. Though I don't know if they're doing special orders of those switches or not.
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Originally Posted by hicks12;14168676 
@tator tot, i had a look at steelseries website earlier and it says a 2 year warranty and also razer gives a 2 year warranty.

US Warranty on the Razer & Steelseries websites says 1 Year for keyboards.
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Originally Posted by hicks12;14168676 
Is that right? I see the SS 7g and like it more and more but the black with no feedback seems a bit pointless, and the razer BW has a glossy finish (seriously what idiot designed the aesthetics, glossy + hands!?) and it seems mxblue can have a problem with double tapping.

Its so hard to decide on a switch when i cant go anywhere to try some out! frown.gif.

I would go with the BlackWidow if you can; it gives you plenty of features, and the keycaps are preferred to the 7G (IMO) as the 7G has some very cheap feeling (and cheap in quality) keycaps.)
And yes, you got the switches right.
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They're clicky Alps, they definitely are not the same as the ABS M1; as far as my "super precise" finger tests go, they are lighter than the ABS M1 by a small margin (I'd say 5G or so) with a more crisp and defined click.

They're not the same switch (ABS M1 has black Forward switches). Just that they're from the same manufacturer. Guess what I said originally was misleading tongue.gif
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According to Sixty; Strong Man is the OEM for Matias boards as well. Though I don't know if they're doing special orders of those switches or not.

Again, I'm almost certain that they are out of business now. I think they made older revisions of the Tactile Pro, just not the current ones.
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They're not the same switch (ABS M1 has black Forward switches). Just that they're from the same manufacturer. Guess what I said originally was misleading tongue.gif

Ah, well the ABS M1 & Solidtek 6600 are not that well built.

The Dell is well built with solid switches, but those Alps are showing their age. They definitely feel more rough, compared to when I first got them (used it constantly for almost 3 months.)

The Matias is definitely the best built Alps board I've had.

Though; the Ducky doesn't have any issues. Keycaps are more or less the same as the normal ABS keycaps on the Cherry MX Ducky's, and the bodies are built the same.
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Again, I'm almost certain that they are out of business now. I think they made older revisions of the Tactile Pro, just not the current ones.
Well I'm no expert, and I don't know any of the business information about Strong Man so I can't look it up (them being from China would also make that much harder.)
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Windows 7 Home Premium 32" IPS TV Logitech K400 Seasonic G360 
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Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced Logitech K400 Trackpad Custom 2.1 Home Theater Setup 
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