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I prefer blacks for gaming simply because I always have some pressure on the keys and I found using browns to be difficult with the small bump. I also like the resistance that the blacks have, browns were too light for me. I like blacks for typing too though, It depends on the person. When I chose a keyboard with black switches for gaming it was between the noppoo choc mini and the kbc poker. I ended up going with the noppoo to save a few $.
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Originally Posted by r4pture View Post
Sadly, the one bad thing about buckling spring KBs is they're almost universally 2KRO. There are some 3 and 4 (maybe more) key combos that can be pressed, but its classified as 2KRO.
Oh ok, thanks. +Rep

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IBM Matrix, 2KRO

You'll get some blocking, but for any FPS you should be more than fine. Strategy & RPG games may run into issues but I can game on a 2KRO board just fine most of the time.
Yeah I'm hoping to play FPS games on it, I guess I'll just have to try it out and see. Thanks

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They are 2KRO, but the matrix is decent, I haven't ran into any issues, although I mainly play RTS games, and not a lot of FPS games. I have played some FPS games on them though without problems. The matrix is probably better than most rubber dome keyboards anyway.

On another note, given that the 82G' was made from 1993-1996, it would seem somewhat unlikely that yours was made in 1984

This is a common thing that eBay sellers do - On the label on the back, there's a copyright notice from IBM or Lexmark dated 1984, and some think that this is the production date (or want everyone else to think it to make the keyboard look more rare and vintage). This was the year that the particular implementation of the buckling spring used in the Model M was introduced. The first regular Model M entered production in mid 1985. The actual production date for the keyboard is usually on the other side of the label, and usually jumps out more than the copyright
Lol thats exactly what I was looking at, I'm dumb

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Quick question: What should I get Cherry black or brown?

From the OP I got the blacks have no tactile feedback but browns do and for that reason blacks are better for gaming but worse for typing. But how does tactile feedback effect gaming/typing? I mainly care about gaming but I don't want to completely sacrifice typing.

P.S.
Feel free to recommend a keyboard
Blacks require slightly more force than your average rubber dome keyboard. Thus they can make it tying to type on for extended periods of time (this depends on the person though.)

Browns require less force and are easier for many to use but they don't like the tactile bump as it temporarily increases the force by about 10 grams and that feel of it doesn't "feel" right to some when gaming. Other's don't mind.
Typers like that feel as that's when the tactile feedback comes in and you can stop pressing the key as you know it's registered. Meaning you don't have to bottom out.

For MX-Black based board, the Overclock.net Ducky with PBT Keycaps would be a good option.
If you can find it (since they're harder to find in the US due to being OOS at many places) the SteelSeries 6Gv2 is another good option. It's $20 less then the OCN Ducky and comes with many of the same features (NKRO & Media keys) as well as one of the more important "gamer" features (lack of a left Windows key, the OCN Ducky can disable this key, but comes with it as well.)
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
Blacks require slightly more force than your average rubber dome keyboard. Thus they can make it tying to type on for extended periods of time (this depends on the person though.)

Browns require less force and are easier for many to use but they don't like the tactile bump as it temporarily increases the force by about 10 grams and that feel of it doesn't "feel" right to some when gaming. Other's don't mind.
Typers like that feel as that's when the tactile feedback comes in and you can stop pressing the key as you know it's registered. Meaning you don't have to bottom out.

For MX-Black based board, the Overclock.net Ducky with PBT Keycaps would be a good option.
If you can find it (since they're harder to find in the US due to being OOS at many places) the SteelSeries 6Gv2 is another good option. It's $20 less then the OCN Ducky and comes with many of the same features (NKRO & Media keys) as well as one of the more important "gamer" features (lack of a left Windows key, the OCN Ducky can disable this key, but comes with it as well.)
I was looking at the SS 6Gv2 it looks like a pretty solid MX-Black keyboard and I found one for $70. The OCN Ducky is pretty awesome, I like the ESC key but its a bit of out of my price range, I'd like to spend <100 dollars if I can. I'll prob end up getting the SS board if I decide to go with MX-black.

Anyways back to the question!

So a MX-black will usually will bottom out (because of the lack of tactile feedback) and it takes a bit more pressure to press down the keys, so overall it would be a bit more tiring but it's more smooth because there's not tactile bump half way through the key press? Then a MX-brown requires less pressure and has a tactile bump to help prevent bottoming out, so overall it would be less tiring (and faster?) to type on but feels less smooth because of the tactile bump.

Basically I'm imaging the MX-black to be more like a typical rubber domed keyboard with a mechanical feel and a MX-brown to be the same as black but with tactile bump when the keystroke is registered to help prevent bottoming out.

To me the MX-brown sounds like a better option because it requires less force, it has a tactile bump that helps with typing or double tapping and I'd imagine the tactile bump is easy to ignore when gaming but I've never used one before. What are your thoughts?
Edited by smitty5569 - 7/24/11 at 10:38am
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I was looking at the SS 6Gv2 it looks like a pretty solid MX-Black keyboard and I found one for $70. The OCN Ducky is pretty awesome, I like the ESC key but its a bit of out of my price range, I'd like to spend <100 dollars if I can. I'll prob end up getting the SS board if I decide to go with MX-black.

Anyways back to the question!

So a MX-black will usually will bottom out (because of the lack of tactile feedback) and it takes a bit more pressure to press down the keys, so overall it would be a bit more tiring but it's more smooth because there's not tactile bump half way through the key press? Then a MX-brown requires less pressure and has a tactile bump to help prevent bottoming out, so overall it would be less tiring (and faster?) to type on but feels less smooth because of the tactile bump.

Basically I'm imaging the MX-black to be more like a typical rubber domed keyboard with a mechanical feel and a MX-brown to be the same as black but with tactile bump when the keystroke is registered to help prevent bottoming out.

To me the MX-brown sounds like a better option because it requires less force, it has a tactile bump that helps with typing or double tapping and I'd imagine the tactile bump is easy to ignore when gaming but I've never used one before. What are your thoughts?
Actually, the MX-Browns to me are more like a typical dome because they are not very tactile but require less force. The blacks are "springy" and feel very "solid." You don't feel like you're typing on something that's cheap; but something that's built well and very solid.

For Cherry MX-Switches, at the $100 budget, you're limited to MX-Blacks and the Steel Series 6Gv2 right now.

OCN will be getting more models from Ducky in stock soon that will be under the $100 mark. Full sized and Tenkeyless models.
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Actually, the MX-Browns to me are more like a typical dome because they are not very tactile but require less force. The blacks are "springy" and feel very "solid." You don't feel like you're typing on something that's cheap; but something that's built well and very solid.

For Cherry MX-Switches, at the $100 budget, you're limited to MX-Blacks and the Steel Series 6Gv2 right now.

OCN will be getting more models from Ducky in stock soon that will be under the $100 mark. Full sized and Tenkeyless models.
HMMM, I wish I could try some boards out before buying but since i live in a small town with no computer shops around so I can't. Everywhere I've been to has said black is the best for gaming and you seem to educated about this so I think I'll go with a mx-black board(I'm not 100% sure tho ).

Right now I'm thinking either a SS 6Gv2 or an OCN board. How soon is "soon" for the new OCN boards? I'd like to support OCN but I don't want to wait weeks before I can get one.

Just out of curiosity what board do you own?
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HMMM, I wish I could try some boards out before buying but since i live in a small town with no computer shops around so I can't. Everywhere I've been to has said black is the best for gaming and you seem to educated about this so I think I'll go with a mx-black board(I'm not 100% sure tho ).

Right now I'm thinking either a SS 6Gv2 or an OCN board. How soon is "soon" for the new OCN boards? I'd like to support OCN but I don't want to wait weeks before I can get one.

Just out of curiosity what board do you own?
My Daily Driver is the Deck Legend Frost Tactile. Only because it uses Cherry MX-Clear switches (which are my favorite.)

My secondary board (plus the one I travel with a lot) is the DK9008 MX-Brown version with PBT keycaps. (OCN edition)

As for how soon till the boards get here; I can't say as they're in customs. I'd estimate at a max of two weeks.
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My Daily Driver is the Deck Legend Frost Tactile. Only because it uses Cherry MX-Clear switches (which are my favorite.)

My secondary board (plus the one I travel with a lot) is the DK9008 MX-Brown version with PBT keycaps. (OCN edition)

As for how soon till the boards get here; I can't say as they're in customs. I'd estimate at a max of two weeks.
The Deck Legend is a nice looking board I wont lie I love me some LEDs .
You use clear/brown but you'd recommend black over brown??

As for the OCN boards; hmm 2weeks + it would have to go through customs again to get into Canada. So it could be 3-4weeks. I may just get the SS board.
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For $70, you can't go wrong with the SS 6Gv2.

I like stiffer switches; so MX-Blacks are more at home for me. I don't like the lighter switches as much.

Browns to me are "boring old browns" as they are less tactile than MX-Blues or MX-Clears; as well as being very light (so I bottom out on them easily if I'm not paying attention.)

Switches are always about preference.
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For $70, you can't go wrong with the SS 6Gv2.

I like stiffer switches; so MX-Blacks are more at home for me. I don't like the lighter switches as much.

Browns to me are "boring old browns" as they are less tactile than MX-Blues or MX-Clears; as well as being very light (so I bottom out on them easily if I'm not paying attention.)

Switches are always about preference.
I have to agree with the bit about the browns being very light. I wouldn't mind trying clears. If I could get hold of some clear switches, I would probably mod my filco to use them.
    
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