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Filco is a bit higher build quality.
Two things you need to know in the Mech KB field:
1) "Once you Quack you never go back!"
2) Filco > Leopold
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xazen View Post
I didn't want to make a new thread for this so:

What are the differences between a Filco and Leopold boards? I heard somewhere that they were both actually made by the same company. If that is actually true why is there ~$40 difference in price between the two?

The reason I ask is because I want to get a mech keyboard and am currently interested in the tenkeyless variants of these brands atm.
Depends on the specific boards. Many keyboards are made by a company called Costar. Das & Filco are the more famous of the two.

Filco Majestouch 2 10keyless & Leopold FC200R are very different boards.

Leopold's tenkeyless the board (the FC200R) uses PCB mounted switches, which can feel more mushy than normal keyboards.

The Leopold FC500R & Filco Majestouch 2 are just about the same, except the Leopold has 17KRO over USB while Majestouch 2's are only 6KRO.

Leopold & Filco Majestouch 2 keyboards all use 2 layer PCB's while original Majestouch boards use single layer PCBs.

Filco keycaps also have a "protective UV coating" on them, which looks like garbage after heavy use.
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Filco is a bit higher build quality.
Two things you need to know in the Mech KB field:
1) "Once you Quack you never go back!"
2) Filco > Leopold
Contrary to popular belief around here, Leopold is actually of higher build quality. Believe it or not, one of the main reasons why EK replaced the FILCOs with Leopolds is because of bad quality control with the FILCO boards. Brian reported that the Leopold DOA rate is less than a third of what it was with FILCOs. I also remember reading an interview (credits to keyboardlover) with the designer of FILCO who said that the Leopold had the better design because the Filco has an unstated flaw.

I still do prefer the typing feel of the FILCO over the Leopold though.
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Your preference is due to switch mounting though. Not anything related to the build.

The FC300R & FC500R are supposed to be plate mounted. So you may like them more.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChoboGuy View Post
Contrary to popular belief around here, Leopold is actually of higher build quality. Believe it or not, one of the main reasons why EK replaced the FILCOs with Leopolds is because of bad quality control with the FILCO boards. Brian reported that the Leopold DOA rate is less than a third of what it was with FILCOs. I also remember reading an interview (credits to keyboardlover) with the designer of FILCO who said that the Leopold had the better design because the Filco has an unstated flaw.

I still do prefer the typing feel of the FILCO over the Leopold though.
I wouldn't RMA a $99 keyboard either.

Your sources may be a bit biased.
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
Depends on the specific boards. Many keyboards are made by a company called Costar. Das & Filco are the more famous of the two.

Filco Majestouch 2 10keyless & Leopold FC200R are very different boards.

Leopold's tenkeyless the board (the FC200R) uses PCB mounted switches, which can feel more mushy than normal keyboards.

The Leopold FC500R & Filco Majestouch 2 are just about the same, except the Leopold has 17KRO over USB while Majestouch 2's are only 6KRO.

Leopold & Filco Majestouch 2 keyboards all use 2 layer PCB's while original Majestouch boards use single layer PCBs.

Filco keycaps also have a "protective UV coating" on them, which looks like garbage after heavy use.
Thanks for the useful information.

I'm a little confused though. I assume that plate mounted switches are mounted to a metal plate rather than a circuit board.This review makes it seem that the Leopold uses plate mounted switches, not PCB mounted switches.

Are plate mounted switches inherently better? Do the Leopald boards suffer from this 'squishy' feeling that you mentioned?
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Your preference is due to switch mounting though. Not anything related to the build.

The FC300R & FC500R are supposed to be plate mounted. So you may like them more.
Cool, wasn't aware of those models. Thanks for the heads up.

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I wouldn't RMA a $99 keyboard either.

Your sources may be a bit biased.
Why not? I don't think the FILCOs were that much more expensive than the Leo's when EK had them in stock.
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Cool, wasn't aware of those models. Thanks for the heads up.



Why not? I don't think the FILCOs were that much more expensive than the Leo's when EK had them in stock.
They were $110-$140 if memory serves.
Otaku's being the more expensive models.
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Originally Posted by Xazen View Post
Thanks for the useful information.

I'm a little confused though. I assume that plate mounted switches are mounted to a metal plate rather than a circuit board.This review makes it seem that the Leopold uses plate mounted switches, not PCB mounted switches.

Are plate mounted switches inherently better? Do the Leopald boards suffer from this 'squishy' feeling that you mentioned?
You're correct, that's what plate mounted switches are. PCB mounted switches are mounted directly onto it's circuit board.

It doesn't necessarily mean that plate mounted switches are better. There are actually people that prefer PCB mounted switches. It doesn't really make all that much of a difference though so either choice is fine.
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Greetings, new user here. I've been having wrist pains due to prolonged outward hand position during gaming since I'm using a large mousepad + Logitech G11 keyboard which is as big as a surfboard.

Figured that a smaller or ergonomic keyboard would allow me to play games with my left hand turned inwards for greater comfort. Someone suggested Deck 82 - Ice and a Google search brought me to this forum. Mechanical keyboards sound very intriguing.

My question is - how is Deck 82 - Ice & Tenkeyless from elitekeyboards comfort & quality wise? My budget was originally 75$ but I'm willing to splurge on quality and comfort. Are there any cheaper ergonomic mechanical keyboards than those mentioned on first page? Google brings up many sub 70$ ergonomic keyboards but they are still large and clunky and not mechanical.

Thanks in advance.
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