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My WASD sampler kit arrived today. After reading about switches for weeks, I finally got to test them. I put them on a cardboard "PCB", which helped a lot smile.gif



MX Blue
Compared to the Brown switch, the feedback is a lot more crisp. The clicky sound adds a lot to the feeling, making it the switch that feels the most mechanical. The click is somewhat loud, but not to the point that someone in another room would hear it. From what I can tell double tapping shouldn't be an issue when bottoming out (in games), since the key bounces back. But it's definitely the most difficult switch to actuate repeatedly.

MX Brown
The feedback is much more subtle and compared to the Blue switch less refined. It feels like a Red switch with a bump halfway down the way. The switch is much quieter than a Blue switch, yet slightly louder than a Red/Black switch due to the bump. Double tapping works well.

MX Red
There's no bump and there's no click. The switch feels smooth and is easy to actuate. I'd say resting your fingers on multiple keys isn't enough to trigger them, but resting your whole hand on just a few keys is. It's the easiest switch to bottom out and actuate multiple times.

MX Black
This one's a lot like the Red switch, but the force required to push the key down increases as you go. It's possibly the easiest switch to not bottom out because of that. Out of the 4 switches, the Black switch feels the closest to a rubber dome.

I haven't tested the o-rings yet.

Rep+! Very nice write up!! Can't wait to hear what you think of them with the o-rings on.
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Note: While this comparison can give you a general idea, it lacks many variables such as long-term experience or how the O-rings feel on different keyboards. The recommendations are based on my opinion.

I spent some time testing the WASD O-rings on my 4 switches (MX Blue, MX Brown, MX Red, MX Black).

40A-R
The keys are stopped very early and feel notably softer. Linear switches feel rather mushy. Tactile switches lose some of their crispness, especially MX Blues. I would only consider them on MX Browns, if at all.

40A-L
They don't mess much with the feeling of the switches, but provide a great noise reduction and are easier on your fingers (compared to no O-rings). Overall a great choice, since they work well with all switches. Especially great with linear switches.

50A-R
The keys land very early and rather hard. I'd say avoid them on light and/or linear switches, because they put a lot of stress on your finger tips (compared to no O-rings). On MX Blues they're bearable, provide a bit more feedback and make it easier to press the key repeatedly.


soft, 0.4 mm travel reduction, blue color
soft, 0.2 mm travel reduction, red color
hard, 0.4 mm travel reduction black color
Edited by villain - 5/31/13 at 9:34am
post #14083 of 14567
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I spent some time testing the WASD O-rings on my 4 switches (MX Blue, MX Brown, MX Red, MX Black).

40A-R
The keys are stopped very early and feel notably softer. Linear switches feel rather mushy. Tactile switches lose some of their crispness, especially MX Blues. I would only consider them on MX Browns, if at all.

40A-L
They don't mess much with the feeling of the switches, but provide a great noise reduction and are easier on your fingers (compared to no O-rings). Overall a great choice, since they work well with all switches. Especially great with linear switches.

50A-R
The keys land very early and rather hard. I'd say avoid them on light and/or linear switches, because they put a lot of stress on your finger tips (compared to no O-rings). On MX Blues they're bearable, provide a bit more feedback and make it easier to press the key repeatedly.


soft, 0.4 mm travel reduction, blue color
soft, 0.2 mm travel reduction, red color
hard, 0.4 mm travel reduction black color

Thanks for this write-up. You're the first person I've seen have anything negative to say about o-rings. I think your description of the 50A o-rings is spot on and felt exactly the same way about them, finding them only somewhat bearable on blue switches but nowhere else. After reading this, I went ahead and ordered a set of the 40A-L, hopefully my experience with them will be similar to yours. thumb.gif
     
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That is an excellent review and write up of the rings! Thanks. I should buy 40A-L stocks, I see lots of people buying them after that, myself included.
 
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It might be a good idea to add info on lubrication/greases etc. used on keyboards. Other sites have done the research and you can draw from it. It's especially useful on certain squeaky keys and some consider using them in all brown switches anyway since they appear to be inherently frictiony. thumb.gif
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I spent some time testing the WASD O-rings on my 4 switches (MX Blue, MX Brown, MX Red, MX Black).

40A-R
The keys are stopped very early and feel notably softer. Linear switches feel rather mushy. Tactile switches lose some of their crispness, especially MX Blues. I would only consider them on MX Browns, if at all.

40A-L
They don't mess much with the feeling of the switches, but provide a great noise reduction and are easier on your fingers (compared to no O-rings). Overall a great choice, since they work well with all switches. Especially great with linear switches.

50A-R
The keys land very early and rather hard. I'd say avoid them on light and/or linear switches, because they put a lot of stress on your finger tips (compared to no O-rings). On MX Blues they're bearable, provide a bit more feedback and make it easier to press the key repeatedly.


soft, 0.4 mm travel reduction, blue color
soft, 0.2 mm travel reduction, red color
hard, 0.4 mm travel reduction black color
I'm currently use the 50A-R and after reading you're write up, I think I'll give the 40A-L a try. The 50A-R's are stiff/hard at first, but after using it for more than 2 weeks, they will soften up and feel much better.
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I finally fixed my spacebar problem where I was sometimes getting 2 or more spaces with just one keypress (sometimes 5 or more spaces!). Here's what I did:

 

  1. I removed the following key caps: both the left and right Alt keys, then X, C, V, B, N, M and the key next to M that has both the '<' symbol and the comma.
  2. Then, I removed the spacebar
  3. I found a syringe that's "for oral use only" and I sucked up maybe 10-15 drops worth of 91% Isopropyl Alcohol (it's the only alcohol I have). I was trying to suck up only 4-5 drops worth, but hey. lol :)
  4. Using a toothpick, I pressed the switch all the way down. I didn't want my finger to be in the way!
  5. I carefully dropped 1 drop into the switch, and then I pressed the switch like a couple dozen times or so in rapid succession
  6. Then I added a couple more drops and pressed the switch several times again in rapid succession
  7. I noticed that I wasn't getting drops in on one side of the switch, so I added 1-2 more drops to that side and then I pressed the switch probably a hundred times or so in rapid succession because I was done adding drops. I like to be thorough. :)
  8. Then I held the switch all the way down with the toothpick for maybe 2 minutes.
  9. While holding it down, I blew gently straight down at the switch from about 10" above it just to help with evaporate the alcohol.
  10. Then 10 minutes after I added the last drop (so, right before I began holding the switch down with the toothpick), I put all the caps back on and turned my computer on
  11. I tested it, and lo and behold it's working perfectly now. No more spacebar problems! The click sound is even reduced a bit just as I was told it would be, so I know I did this correctly.

 

I have legendarylinc to thank for the motivation and confidence to do this because he made the thread below (it made it feel like it was definitely worth trying because I saw that it worked for him right before my very eyes):

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1393125/double-tapping-issues-with-razer-blackwidow

 

As you can see, I helped him by giving him the same advice that I received here in the Mechanical Keyboard Guide. The reason I hadn't done it yet is it seemed I had some control over it because I could usually fix it by just doing a long "drum roll" on my spacebar in Notepad. Well, my day only started a couple of hours ago and my spacebar was already doing it but this time it wasn't getting fixed by doing my drum roll, so I kind of lost my patience and finally took care of it! :) I didn't want to spend the entire day dealing with it! lol

 

Ultimately though, I have rebelextrm02 to thank for this because the post below is where I received that advice from:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide/13900_100#post_19432333

 

So, thank you rebelextrm02!

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post #14088 of 14567
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I spent some time testing the WASD O-rings on my 4 switches (MX Blue, MX Brown, MX Red, MX Black).

40A-R
The keys are stopped very early and feel notably softer. Linear switches feel rather mushy. Tactile switches lose some of their crispness, especially MX Blues. I would only consider them on MX Browns, if at all.

40A-L
They don't mess much with the feeling of the switches, but provide a great noise reduction and are easier on your fingers (compared to no O-rings). Overall a great choice, since they work well with all switches. Especially great with linear switches.

50A-R
The keys land very early and rather hard. I'd say avoid them on light and/or linear switches, because they put a lot of stress on your finger tips (compared to no O-rings). On MX Blues they're bearable, provide a bit more feedback and make it easier to press the key repeatedly.


soft, 0.4 mm travel reduction, blue color
soft, 0.2 mm travel reduction, red color
hard, 0.4 mm travel reduction black color

Very nice write up, villain, I really like how you took the time to test each o-ring on different switches, I know this took a lot of time and you did a very great, short and concise piece for us to use as a reference. Thank you for taking the time.

I do have one thing, though, and please don’t take it personally, as that is not how I intend it, but I just wanted to put this out there for the thread to see…

This testing is all very subjective. While I have not tried the other o-rings, I currently have 50A-Rs on my CM Storm QF Pro with MX Browns at work and I love the way it feels. It takes out most of the noise, but still leaves the responsive click. Also, when I first got this keyboard, I found it almost painful to type on as I always used to bottom out the keys, and hitting bottom on these was very sudden and harsh. With the 50A-Rs it is quite the opposite. I find the keys feel softer when I do bottom them out and I find now my fingertips don’t hurt after extended typing periods.

Now, to make sure I’m being completely clear, I’ve also learned, in the few weeks I’ve had the board, how to type correctly on it. I love the MX Browns (and MX Blues I have on my Ducky at home) because of the tactile feel. I’ve learned how to type on them efficiently without bottoming out the keys, at least not with every key press. I’m still learning (I’ve been using the boards for about a month now) how to properly type on both my mechanical keyboards, and it is taking me time to get my speed back (when trying to type by feeling the bump and moving on rather than bottoming out every key), but I can certainly tell a difference.

Anyway, back to my point at hand. While I applaud you for your testing and write up, and I think you did a great job, I just want to make sure that people remember, the feeling is subjective. What works for you may not work for me and vice versa. As it is with everyone.

Personally, I love the feel of the 50A-Rs on my MX Brown board, but I hated them on my MX Blue board and I’m considering trying different ones on that board. My point is, I feel exactly opposite as to how you do about the same thing, and I think other users may find this as well (while I’m sure others will completely agree with you and think I’m nuts, that’s just the way it goes). So remember, feeling is subjective, and while you provide us with some really great information, each user will be different and may have different feelings.
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Originally Posted by WonderMutt View Post

Very nice write up, villain, I really like how you took the time to test each o-ring on different switches, I know this took a lot of time and you did a very great, short and concise piece for us to use as a reference. Thank you for taking the time.

I do have one thing, though, and please don’t take it personally, as that is not how I intend it, but I just wanted to put this out there for the thread to see…

This testing is all very subjective. While I have not tried the other o-rings, I currently have 50A-Rs on my CM Storm QF Pro with MX Browns at work and I love the way it feels. It takes out most of the noise, but still leaves the responsive click. Also, when I first got this keyboard, I found it almost painful to type on as I always used to bottom out the keys, and hitting bottom on these was very sudden and harsh. With the 50A-Rs it is quite the opposite. I find the keys feel softer when I do bottom them out and I find now my fingertips don’t hurt after extended typing periods.

Now, to make sure I’m being completely clear, I’ve also learned, in the few weeks I’ve had the board, how to type correctly on it. I love the MX Browns (and MX Blues I have on my Ducky at home) because of the tactile feel. I’ve learned how to type on them efficiently without bottoming out the keys, at least not with every key press. I’m still learning (I’ve been using the boards for about a month now) how to properly type on both my mechanical keyboards, and it is taking me time to get my speed back (when trying to type by feeling the bump and moving on rather than bottoming out every key), but I can certainly tell a difference.

Anyway, back to my point at hand. While I applaud you for your testing and write up, and I think you did a great job, I just want to make sure that people remember, the feeling is subjective. What works for you may not work for me and vice versa. As it is with everyone.

Personally, I love the feel of the 50A-Rs on my MX Brown board, but I hated them on my MX Blue board and I’m considering trying different ones on that board. My point is, I feel exactly opposite as to how you do about the same thing, and I think other users may find this as well (while I’m sure others will completely agree with you and think I’m nuts, that’s just the way it goes). So remember, feeling is subjective, and while you provide us with some really great information, each user will be different and may have different feelings.

Thanks for the input. It is subjective and everybody should test them for themselves. My goal was to give people a first idea of what to expect or help those who can't test them make a choice. Maybe I went a bit too far by making some of these recommendations (50A-R), but these were my impressions based on a direct comparison of all O-rings on all switches. That said, there are many variables my comparison lacks, such as long-term experience. Someone mentioned the black O-rings can soften up after a while, which could change a lot.

I will update my post and add a warning.
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Originally Posted by villain View Post

Thanks for the input. It is subjective and everybody should test them for themselves. My goal was to give people a first idea of what to expect or help those who can't test them make a choice. Maybe I went a bit too far by making some of these recommendations (50A-R), but these were my impressions based on a direct comparison of all O-rings on all switches. That said, there are many variables my comparison lacks, such as long-term experience. Someone mentioned the black O-rings can soften up after a while, which could change a lot.

I will update my post and add a warning.

It is certainly subjective but your post helped me a lot. It was the first time I've seen anyone say the 50A puts more stress on your fingers from the landing than being without them, which was exactly what I felt. For me the 50A created a very hard and sudden landing on the Brown, Red, and Black switches, while just making Blue feel unpleasant and mushy.

As I wrote earlier, I went with your advice on trying the 40A-L and am very happy with the results. Thanks again! thumb.gif
     
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