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I know it's not mechanical, but the more modern Dell keyboards are really great. I'm using one from their Optiplex 960 series, and it's a great typing experience, for sure. It's still rubber dome, and maybe a little mushy for some people, and it doesn't have NKRO, obviously. However, for general typing purposes, it's one of the best cheap keyboards I've used.
    
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Originally Posted by pow3rtr1p View Post
I know it's not mechanical, but the more modern Dell keyboards are really great. I'm using one from their Optiplex 960 series, and it's a great typing experience, for sure. It's still rubber dome, and maybe a little mushy for some people, and it doesn't have NKRO, obviously. However, for general typing purposes, it's one of the best cheap keyboards I've used.
not all rubber dome keyboards are bad. the i-Rocks KR-6820E-BK and Saitek Eclipse use square sliders which have a tactile feedback. the i-Rocks KR-6820E-BK requires 60-65g of force to ensure a keystroke is registered which is more than some Cherry MX switches. one reviewer on geekhack said the i-Rocks KR-6820E-BK has more tactile feedback than a Cherry MX Brown switch however a Cherry MX Brown switch has more benefits such as speed and durability.

the i-Rocks KR-6820E-BK uses the same indirect light technique rubber dome keyboards that are marketed as "gaming keyboards" use and the back lighting is comparable to the Razer Lycosa. it's also ergonomic because of it's compact layout and slimline housing you don't have to worry about strain. it's only $25 shipped and once connected through a PS/2 adapter it doesn't technically have full n-Key rollover but there doesn't seem to be any blocking combinations up to 16 keystrokes.

compare this to more expensive rubber dome keyboards that are marketed as "gaming keyboards" like the Eclipse I - II - III, Reclusa, Sidewinder X4, Sidewinder X8, Cyborg, Tarantula, Lycosa, Arctosa, G11, G110, G15, G19 and you have not only a bang for your buck "gaming keyboard" but you could argue a better rubber dome keyboard.

Christine
Edited by lmnop - 2/22/10 at 9:49am
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I know it's not mechanical, but the more modern Dell keyboards are really great. I'm using one from their Optiplex 960 series, and it's a great typing experience, for sure. It's still rubber dome, and maybe a little mushy for some people, and it doesn't have NKRO, obviously. However, for general typing purposes, it's one of the best cheap keyboards I've used.
You are right, there are some very good cheap keyboards out there. You should use what you like/can afford. I use a cheap dell keyboard in my simpit, but I prefer to type on a mechanical keyboard when writing research papers, etc. My opinion is that you would like typing on a mechanical keyboard better than the rubber dome but ultimately the final opinion that matters is yours. I certainly wish more local stores carried mechanical keyboards so the general public could experience the difference.
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More and more simulations are using the left windows key and backspace, as well as all the other keys on the keyboard, to utilize certain features. I had to remap my keyboard for Arma2 as I do not have a left Windows key on my Model M.

Christine....you like to give you opinion pretty much cutting off everyone else's. Your comment above seems to indicate that you discount everyone elses needs based on your own. Something you might think about in the future is whether or not your comment is pertinent to the conversation or not. From glancing back through this thread it seems that they have not been. Something to think about.
PropNut: I support your constructive criticism of Christine. I also agree.
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nobody is going to be using no ****ing windows key or backspace for gaming. the only time I ever use the backspace key is when I am playing a third person shooter as the backspace is usually assigned to reset the camera.

the steelseries 6g was discontinued when moses wore short pants.

Propnut go away you dolt. I don't care. when I want your opinion i'll ask for it.

rpsgc go here and here and start looking.

Christine
Just because the primary use of the keyboard is for gaming, it doesn't mean that somebody won't be typing with it. And there are MANY people (including me) who absolutely hate that tiny Backspace key and that massive Enter key.

I wouldn't care of I spent 99% of my time using the keyboard for gaming! I'D STILL BE USING IT FOR TYPING ON OCCASION!

Why is it that whenever somebody expresses a preference, you have to come along and tell them that they're wrong?
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than you shouldn't be buying a keyboard with Cherry MX Black Linear switches. Cherry MX Browns would be better.
Says YOU. But that's just your opinion. But not everyone will have the same opinion as you. You have to be flexible and allow people to form their own opinion! You can't just tell them what their opinion is! But that is exactly what you're doing!
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the steelseries 7g has a function key instead of a windows key. what is wrong with using your right hand to use the right windows key?
Do you remember why I prefer having a Left WinKey? It's because I've been using the Left WinKey shortcuts (plus just using the Left WinKey to open the Start menu whenever I don't feel like using the mouse) since the days of Windows 95. That's right: that's 15 years of Left WinKey habits! I have never used my Right WinKey. Ever. It is the one key on every keyboard I have eever used (and of the 3 that I have owned) that I never use or touch.

So what's wrong with it? It's personal preference. When somebody expresses a preference, RESPECT IT! However, you can still gently suggest things that might enable them to see a better way (at least, according to their opinion again).
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when I was a teenager my brother and I owned a XT do you know how many mice and keyboards were available at the time? not many. you used what you had and adapted. rule of acquisition number 45 expand or die...

Christine
So what? Does that mean everyone has to be exactly the same as you? Does that mean that I'm wrong for absolutely REFUSING to buy a keyboard like the Model S? I dare you to tell me I'm wrong, Christine! Just go ahead! Because you know what? I'm not going to let anyone tell me that my preference is wrong. I would rather enjoy my keyboard from day one than spend a few weeks - or a few months - getting USED to the damn thing! Is that okay with you?
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the steelseries 7g is a gaming keyboard. the layout was designed for gaming not typing. it is the perfect mechanical keyboard if you spend majority of your time on the PC playing video games rather than typing or if have multiple computers one assigned to video games and the other assigned to typing.

if you have problem with it than I suggest another switch and there is lots of them. Cherry MX Brown, Alps Black, Alps Black Copies, etc.
This has nothing to do with the switch right now. It has to do with preferring keyboards that have the normal Backspace and Enter keys. Just because the majority of a user's time on the PC is spent gaming, it doesn't mean that they are wrong if they refuse to buy a keyboard because of little things like not having a Left WinKey, and not having normal-sized Backspace and Enter keys. As I said before: the keyboard is still used for typing, and therefore the user still needs to consider EVERY ASPECT OF THE KEYBOARD. Therefore, it's every user's right to refuse to buy any keyboard with such design characteristics.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the function key. it's useful. you don't have to worry about hitting the windows key by accident and you can turn the volume up, down or mute.

Christine
That doesn't mean that everyone needs to have the same opinions and preferences as you. What works the absolute best for ONE person may not work AT ALL for another.
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Wow, so everyone should be happy to do what you think best for them? Hmm....
I know, right? I've been getting along with Christine for the past week or 2, but she's still been a bit abrasive.

Christine, I want you to know that I am not alone when I say that you are a bit arrogant, condescending and whatever else can be related to those adjectives. You tend to appear as though you think your opinion and/or preferences are the only ones that matter and that everyone would be happiest if they would do everything the same way you do them (and have done them).
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I too had an XT (8088) when I was a young man, I am certainly glad computers have progressed beyond that stage...and I am very glad that games have also. Be a little more aware of other peoples needs and opinions, not everyone will change thier opinion to match yours just because you rant the most, or pull stats out of your bag o'ammo.
This.

Christine, be more like Manyak: the only thing he is interested in is enabling people to find what's best for THEM. He never tells people what they should or should not use. He just shows them what's out there and enables them to make an informed decision rather than forcing his opinions and preferences down on them.

Absolutely NOBODY likes it when they have somebody helping them who is also trying to make them have the same opinions and preferences.

/rant.

Christine: please understand that if I hated you, or if I didn't respect you, then I would have just kept silent. Only a friend would step up to the plate like this.


To everyone else: I sincerely apologize, but I know full-well that some of you feel that Christine has had this coming since the day she joined OCN (10/25/09).
Edited by TwoCables - 2/22/10 at 11:03am
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This is a guide, please only help other people. Please only state facts, do not insult other members.
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Wow, I'm gone all day playing mass effect 2 and I come back to this

How about we don't scare away anyone else from posting in the thread, hmm?
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I know it's not mechanical, but the more modern Dell keyboards are really great. I'm using one from their Optiplex 960 series, and it's a great typing experience, for sure. It's still rubber dome, and maybe a little mushy for some people, and it doesn't have NKRO, obviously. However, for general typing purposes, it's one of the best cheap keyboards I've used.
I've heard from many people in IT that the Dell keybaord was great. Still, I've never typed faster than on the mechanical.
    
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Got my ABS M10 from Newegg today. I've never owned a mechanical keyboard before, so I wasn't sure what to expect. I absolutely love it. The key presses are all very accurate. I'm not screwing up multiple words anymore like I was with my G15 or my Tarantula. I'm also loving the sound of the board.

The size and weight of the board is great as well. I never used those dumb hot keys on my other boards, or the media keys, so that stuff was just wasted space. Now I can have my mouse snug right up next to the board. It's also nice and heavy so it doesn't slide around on my desk.
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Could you do us a favor and test the rollover?


Try hitting these key combinations all at the exact same time, and tell us how many keys register on the screen:


WASD

ERXC

HJKL

ASDERW Shift


Try each one multiple times, and only count the ones that show up when you press the keys, not when you release them.

I'm asking this because ABS claims the M1 has 6+4KRO, meaning that any six letter/number keys AND any four modifiers (shift, ctrl, etc.) can be pressed at the exact same time and still show up on the screen. But some people say this isn't true. So I'd like to see what someone who just got a brand new board, presumably the latest revision, can tell us.
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WASD = doesn't work
ERXC = doesn't work
HJKL = doesn't work
ASDERW Shift = doesn't work

I can hit like two or three keys at a time. It's weird, it seems noticeable now that you pointed it out, but I just played some COD for about 20 minutes and had zero problems pressing multiple keys down. Not once was I hindered by not being able to use a certain key combo.

Would getting a USB > PS2 adapter somewhat resolve that?
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