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post #1721 of 14551
Nope, it's a controller thing.

Those are unusual key combinations. I mean, you won't be running forward and back and left and right at the same time, you know? But standard gaming combinations will work fine. Try this:

shift AWER space

That should work on virtually any keyboard. But it's nice to have NKRO (ANY key combination will work), just in case you ever do need those functions. But for standard WASD gaming the M1's matrix is just fine.
post #1722 of 14551
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Originally Posted by waylo88 View Post
WASD = doesn't work
ERXC = doesn't work
HJKL = doesn't work
ASDERW Shift = doesn't work

I can hit like two or three keys at a time. It's weird, it seems noticeable now that you pointed it out, but I just played some COD for about 20 minutes and had zero problems pressing multiple keys down. Not once was I hindered by not being able to use a certain key combo.

Would getting a USB > PS2 adapter somewhat resolve that?
That board doesn't have NKRO, which is fine even for most gaming. A USB > PS2 adaptor shouldn't make a difference for that.

I've only ran into problems with a standard keyboard when gaming what I wanted to lean while walking sidestep and crouching. Doesn't happen very much! (actually I've only done that in the STALKER games while sneaking around)
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AWER

That works just fine. I'm really too concerned with it. Like you said, when am I going to be in-game trying to go back, forward, left, and right all at the same time.
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post #1724 of 14551
it's essentially 2 n-Key rollover which will accept certain combinations. ABS used to advertise 6+4 n-Key rollover until the transposition problem was discovered they removed it from their advertisement. both the ABS M1 and Filco Zero originally had XM switches but they changed them to Fukkas sometime last year. the ABS M1 is incompatible with a PS/2 adapter for some strange reason.

I think that is about all you need to know about the ABS M1, correct me if I am wrong. try and not hold this against Costar they are only as good as the company that pays them meaning they manufacture a lot of mechanical keyboards and they all vary in quality. if it makes you feel better the Saitek Eclipse which is arguably more popular also blocks W, S, A, D.

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Edited by lmnop - 2/23/10 at 1:12pm
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post #1725 of 14551
Yeah, NKRO is only seen on very high end boards. The NKRO Filco keyboards cost about $30 more than the non-NKRO ones I think.

The standard IBM matrix which the majority (or at least a large minority) of keyboards use works fine for standard gaming. Just don't go play in a Stepmania tournament on one is all.
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I get my das ultimate on thursday I can't wait to try it out and retire the G15
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Manyak. I didn't notice this before but on the Cherry switches and boards island on geekhack there are 3 versions of Cherry MX Clear.

MX1A-C which is soft tactile, 55g.
MX1A-A which is tactile, 80g.

Deck Legend tactile models use MX1A-C

not much info on the third version except it is very old and clicky.

I remember before you decided to edit the Mechanical Keyboard Guide someone inquired about the Cherry MX Clear switches and one member replied "55g" and you said "80g". I guess you were both right.

or is this old news?

by the way does anybody remember that forum member who was in the Mechanical Keyboard Guide last week or so who mentioned he was going to Asia?

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post #1728 of 14551
Quote:
Originally Posted by lmnop View Post
Manyak. I didn't notice this before but on the Cherry switches and boards island on geekhack there are 3 versions of Cherry MX Clear.

MX1A-C which is soft tactile, 55g.
MX1A-A which is tactile, 80g.

Deck Legend tactile models use MX1A-C
I've done a bit of in-home testing, and while it wasn't done with all nickels (I had to "cheat" with some mouse weights), I can confirm that the switches on a Deck Legend Frost do not actuate anywhere near 55g. I had at least 70g of weights on one of my keys and it hadn't actuated yet.
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Originally Posted by lmnop View Post
Manyak. I didn't notice this before but on the Cherry switches and boards island on geekhack there are 3 versions of Cherry MX Clear.

MX1A-C which is soft tactile, 55g.
MX1A-A which is tactile, 80g.

Deck Legend tactile models use MX1A-C

not much info on the third version except it is very old and clicky.

I remember before you decided to edit the Mechanical Keyboard Guide someone inquired about the Cherry MX Clear switches and one member replied "55g" and you said "80g". I guess you were both right.

or is this old news?

by the way does anybody remember that forum member who was in the Mechanical Keyboard Guide last week or so who mentioned he was going to Asia?

Christine
lol yeah I figured that out a while ago now. I was looking through the deck forum one day and saw that they mentioned the MX1A-C, and was like wait a minute I think I messed up.

But one other thing I noticed while looking at the graphs I was posting in the guide is that on the graph for the MX1A-C, the actuation point is at 55g but the tactile bump you have to get over goes up to 65g. So it should be listed as 65. I also remember someone said that they put 70g or 75g on it and it still didn't actuate. So I'm not sure anymore.

And do you mean this member?


Edit: there you go, 70g . That's what I get for taking my sweet time to answer.
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I've done a bit of in-home testing, and while it wasn't done with all nickels (I had to "cheat" with some mouse weights), I can confirm that the switches on a Deck Legend Frost do not actuate anywhere near 55g. I had at least 70g of weights on one of my keys and it hadn't actuated yet.
in the PDF it says

initial force: 40 cN
actuation force: 60 cN + 20 cN (linear and latching)
45 cN + 20 cN (pressure point)
55 cN + 20 cN

all this is german to me.

I don't think it should be changed. the actuation point is all that really matters. to be honest it doesn't sound like these are all that great compared to the linear for gaming. yes that is him. thank you.

Christine
Edited by lmnop - 2/23/10 at 6:32pm
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