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Originally Posted by Chunky_Chimp View Post
I dunno. Thermaltake still uses WAY too much cheap plastic for my liking, especially on the outside. Their tool-free stuff isn't as good as Cooler Master's, either. Overall build quality is behind Antec, too, and a lot of the features that are otherwise useful rely on cheap materials that can break easily.
The tool free I'll give you. Except for on the CM part. The CM 690/590 had notoriously bad plastic Tool Free crap that borked all the time.

Antec & Lian-Li do it right with Thumbscrews. My 300 came with 4 Thumb screws for every 3.5" & 5.25" drive bay, along with the case panels and PCIe slots.

I wouldn't put the Build Quality behind Antec or Cooler Master. Possibly on the older case, but the current Element line (I've personally had my hands on all but 1 of them.) and there HTPC cases are very well crafted and designed.

For Premier Mid-Towers, Antec 902, CM 690-II, TT Element G, and Lancool PC-K62 all have around the same build quality.

Though, they could all use to ditch the plastic IMO.
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I like Thermaltake Power Supplies. Channel Well has been their OEM for years.

Christine
Channel Well only does an OEM for the Toughpower series.

Currently, HEC is the OEM for the TR2 line. Which is utter garbage.

I do not remember who does the Evo Blue's though.
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I think he is awake; someone at least added my new G84-4100 to my list. I think he's still there.
He hasn't added me .

Ok, I feel like a troll, I've posted too much useless stuff today. Time to go do homework .
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Keyboard noise comparison!

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For shame Manyak. I would not say that.

Most of the Thermaltake Cases are decent quality. And unlike CM & Antec, they've realized to pain the interiors black now. Small steps, but they're still ahead of the both of them in that regard. And Cable Management as well. (Even though it's nothing fancy.)

Thermaltake power supplies are somewhat, hit and miss.
TR2 units are poo poo
But Toughpower & Evo units are quality built.

Heatsink wise, the Big Typhoon & Big Typhoon VX are still solid performers. They're a little dated in the design and such. But nor horrid at all. Down Draft still has it's place. Not as lead-design. But it's still useful.
Besides the issue of VRM cooling, the Duo-Orb performs well on modern GPU's.


They also have some misc accessories, they're not bad either. They've got cheap noise dampening material that performs well.
Some of the Case fans are not great. And some are rather average. Not terribly priced though

There SATA Rack & HDD Racks/Cages/enclosures are pretty good as well. Not much you can say about them though. It's not like you can make them fancy.

Case accessories are actually nice. Media Lab, iCage, & Xcontroller are all good products.

All in all, they'd be a 7/10 as a company IMO, as a reference, Corsair gets a 8/10
Their heatsinks: At one point they were pretty much the top of the line (remember the BlueOrb?), but right now there's always a better choice at every price point. I did try a DuoOrb on my 8800GTS by the way, and it was only a few degrees better than the stock cooler (less than 10C difference). I tried remounting it several times and lapping its surface, but it didn't help. It might work well on the lower end stuff, but the high end GPUs definitely put out too much heat for it to justify the cost.

Their watercooling: Doesn't perform any better than air cooling, and their parts are pretty high risk. They mix copper and aluminum in their kits, their pumps are very unreliable, and their 1x120mm radiators don't even dissipate as much heat as a TRUE. I'd never put any computer at the mercy of their WC.

Their fans: Completely off the wall dba ratings (like SilenX does), and the PWM ones click a lot when turned down. You can buy two blue LED fans from them with the exact same model number, but still end up with different shades of blue on each one. No consistency whatsoever.

Their noise dampening material: Same as all the other ones you find a PPCS and FrozenCPU and what not. So it's not really anything special

PSUs: Like you said, their PSUs are pretty much hit and miss. We can agree on this completely.

Cases: It's hard to judge a company by its cases, because they are 20% features, 10% airflow, 20% quality, and 50% personal taste. TT does fine with features and airflow, and scores about a 10/20 on quality because of their excessive use of cheap plastic. And I think it's only fair that we ignore looks in this judgement - while you might say that they're one step ahead of the game by painting the interior black (even though CM and Antec do it now too), someone else might say that that just makes it that much more work to mod because they have to strip the paint down before putting their own on. Either way, my own personal opinion is that they look very gaudy and unrefined, sometimes even childish.

Misc Accessories: I will admit, they make one accessory that I think is absolutely awesome: the cigarette lighter and cupholder thing that goes in a 5.25" bay. If I had a lanbox type of case I'd definitely put it in.


We're like, wayyyy off topic today lol.
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Thermaltake Watercooling = Complete trash. We'll agree there as well.

I agree, that in most cases (puuuuuuuunnnnnnzzzzzzzz), case selection is up to taste.

But Thermaltake & NZXT have it right, right now. They make functional cases that are not to out there in looks, but not so basic to disuade anyone from choosing them.

Also, the element series uses the same calibur of plastic that Antec, NZXT, & Cooler Master use.

The actual metal construction is perfectly fine. I'm ~285 pounds and I can use an Element G as a chair without it warping.
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I just remembered reading somewhere in this thread that after a while, the clicks of the Cherry MX Blues may begin to sound a little bit duller due to dirt and debris getting inside. Have you found that just using compressed air is enough to clean them out?
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Thermaltake Watercooling = Complete trash. We'll agree there as well.

I agree, that in most cases (puuuuuuuunnnnnnzzzzzzzz), case selection is up to taste.

But Thermaltake & NZXT have it right, right now. They make functional cases that are not to out there in looks, but not so basic to disuade anyone from choosing them.

Also, the element series uses the same calibur of plastic that Antec, NZXT, & Cooler Master use.

The actual metal construction is perfectly fine. I'm ~285 pounds and I can use an Element G as a chair without it warping.

IMO neither thermaltake or NZXT have the market right now. both overprice some of thier casings (armour+, Whisper are both examples) which have medicore materials at best. as far as nzxt go they are trying to be mercedes but actually are a honda civic with leather in it. as for thermaltake they have some good ideas but thier presentation of said ideas (like the tool bay in the armour+) are far from satisfactory.

as far as thermaltake watercooling goes i would not trust those kits as far as i could throw them. i would rather buy a quality used kit from another ocn/ebay member as i dont want my expensive components to have water all over them.


if we are going to talk about case quality then you should 1st judge a case on Build Quality and Design (drive bay layout, cooling, size of hardware that can fit, overall ease to work with) and secondly on personal preference for colour/looks as you dont want a casing that looks awesome but will not fit all of your hardware and cause whatever you put in it to overheat and die.

as for plastics being used in casings, even top quality case designs made by brands such as silverstone and lian li still include plastics. in most cases if it looks cheap it probably is.
    
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Whisper & Armor+ are old cases.

Thermaltakes Element Line (new)
NZXT's Classic Series (new)

These are brand new iterations of their cases. And much better at that.
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Whisper & Armor+ are old cases.

Thermaltakes Element Line (new)
NZXT's Classic Series (new)

These are brand new iterations of their cases. And much better at that.
i know this and TBH the element is a really really dodgy case, cooling with this case is not overclock friendly, i would not overclock in this case on air. the element series looks cheap (plastics make it look cheap) and it looks dull (why would i pay for something which would be hell to mod and looks like something i would give to a kid?)

as for the nzxt classic series yes they do have sound deadening but the cable management is terrible and the drive bays are crazy difficult to work with compared to some of antecs similar priced cases. they nzxt classic series are yet again trying to be a mercedes but they are only a honda civic with imitation leather (meaning they are trying to be like a high end case such as silverstone or lian li but are failing terribly) and for the price i pay for these casings i can add $20-$30 and get something much higher quality from CM (such as the scout or sniper).

dont get me started on budjet cases.
    
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