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so I've had my Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch "Otaku" for about 4 days and have been playing TONS of counter-strike and diablo 2 on it to get the feel and I must say, its quite amazing and enjoyable. i find myself wanting to skip my evening classes so I can come home and play

my game has definitely improved a good bit, and will continue to improve im sure. I must say that this is the nicest keyboard I have ever owned, and REALLY hope that the quality feel it has stays.

definitely a solid recommendation to anyone who is looking for a keyboard for a nice mix of gaming and typing.
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Originally Posted by reedo View Post
so folks, i have a cherry g81 7000 with these switches(see attached pics), and was wondering what the next logical upgrade for gaming and light invoicing (billing) might be. thank you for any and all help given.

P.S. i enjoy keys with quite a bit of resistance i bottom out they keys i have currently.

Thanks,
reedo
The MY switches you currently use are pretty much the heaviest switches out there, reaching 120cN at the bottom.

I'm going to go with Christine's suggestion here with Cherry MX Blacks. They're a bit lighter, but they're also pretty much the closest you're going to get to MYs.

But if you think you want to try something tactile this time around, try a Model M. They're pretty much the same force as the MX Blacks. Their matrix does work fine for WASD gaming.

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Originally Posted by yellowtoblerone View Post
Who cares, everyone can make their own decisions about buying keyboards. For some it's looks, and for others it may be feel and function. People are different, that's okay. No need to convert everyone.

In reality, back-lighting isn't needed ever if you live in a normally lit room.
In reality, backlighting is never needed, in a lit room or not. If you need to actually see the keys you're hitting, even symbols, then you need to train yourself to touch type better.

But your right, mechanical keyboards aren't for everyone. Keyboards (and pretty much all other input devices) are almost entirely dependent on taste. However, you have to look at how the person is making that decision. It's one thing to say "I prefer membrane boards because of A, B, and C", and it's another to say "membrane boards have worked for me so far so I have no reason to try a mechanical". One is a lucid, logical opinion that I'm sure anyone would respect. The other is just stupidity.
Edited by Manyak - 4/3/10 at 4:38pm
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I did some programming, and I must say that I never need to look for symbols on a standard keyboard. []{}\\/*&!<>,.;'"-=+%#, I can find all of those without looking. The only symbol I ever have trouble with is ^, because I accidentally hit & instead. As long as I'm on a keyboard that keeps somewhat similar to the standard layout (which has been standard since the Model M) I have no trouble.


It really is a part of touch typing... If you can't find any key on the alphanum section without looking then you can't really claim perfect touch typing.
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Originally Posted by itschadlol View Post
so I've had my Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch "Otaku" for about 4 days and have been playing TONS of counter-strike and diablo 2 on it to get the feel and I must say, its quite amazing and enjoyable. i find myself wanting to skip my evening classes so I can come home and play

my game has definitely improved a good bit, and will continue to improve im sure. I must say that this is the nicest keyboard I have ever owned, and REALLY hope that the quality feel it has stays.

definitely a solid recommendation to anyone who is looking for a keyboard for a nice mix of gaming and typing.
This made me smile. I have this 104-key Tactile Click NKRO, and I know exactly how you feel. I want to be able to type on this thing 24/7, 7 days a week, 52 weeks out of the year, etc. It's such a pleasure to use this keyboard.

Anyway, as for the longevity, check this out. It's an excerpt from a post I made a day and a half ago:
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
Some switches (especially those found in the commonly-recommended mechanical keyboards) are rated up to 100,000,000 keystrokes, but still go for much longer. That's a hundred million keystrokes for 1 switch. 100,000,000 multiplied by 104 is 10,400,000,000 (10.4 billion). This means that a mechanical keyboard (again, especially the commonly recommended ones) can easily last over 20 years. The best part is that throughout the life of a switch, the feel remains the same. It doesn't degrade and get softer or anything.
Here's the entire [long] post:

http://www.overclock.net/8934992-post2.html


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In reality, backlighting is never needed, in a lit room or not. If you need to actually see the keys you're hitting, even symbols, then you need to train yourself to touch type better.
I've been touch typing since about 1993 or 1994, and up until about 2-3 months ago, I've always had a little bit of trouble nailing the brackets next to the 'P' key, and also the underscore/minus and plus/equal sign keys by the backspace key. I'd sometimes hit both at the same time, or I'd make some other mistake which was always considered "fat-fingering" due to the lack of precision.

So, I got fed up and decided that I would just work on it. To my surprise, I didn't have to work that hard on it at all. And so now today I can nail them with precision and I no longer have to look at the keyboard. Thanks to this, I can finally hit any key on my keyboard without looking (those were the only 4 keys I had trouble with because I didn't use them that often until I came here to OCN). Therefore, I no longer need light on my keyboard.

The only time I look at my keyboard now is when I want to gaze at it because I love my 104 key Filco Majestouch Tactile Click NKRO. Yeah, I love it so much that I had to type it all out just so I could type some more.
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But your right, mechanical keyboards aren't for everyone. Keyboards (and pretty much all other input devices) are almost entirely dependent on taste. However, you have to look at how the person is making that decision. It's one thing to say "I prefer membrane boards because of A, B, and C", and it's another to say "membrane boards have worked for me so far so I have no reason to try a mechanical". One is a lucid, logical opinion that I'm sure anyone would respect. The other is just stupidity.
Wow. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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those are Cherry MY switches they require 80g to actuate and 120g to bottom out.

Cherry MX Black Linear require 60g to actuate and 80g to bottom out. that would be my choice.

Christine

I just picked up a Cherry Black board. I don't see how anyone can type with those switches. And it has an even heavier Cherry Grey space bar. It's almost painful for me to type on that keyboard.

I know Model M buckling springs supposedly require just as much force, but the feel is more crisp and precise in my opinion.

skc
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Originally Posted by lmnop View Post
new Cherry G80-11900 on eBay starting at $29.99.

Christine
I got mine for $15 shipped here:

Cherry G80-11900
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I got mine for $15 shipped here:

Cherry G80-11900
isn't that the guy who was selling 60 of them? did your Cherry G80-11900 come with lint too?

it's not hard to find a used Cherry G80-11900 for chi chi beans but that one is brand new

Christine
Edited by lmnop - 4/3/10 at 9:19pm
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But your right, mechanical keyboards aren't for everyone.
Starting to think I may be one of those people. Of the mechanicals I think I preferred the white alps. But I keep coming back to my Cherry G83 rubber dome. One person's mushy is another persons smooth, I guess. I think that the noise and response of mechanical switches competes with my thoughts. For some, I can see how it would enhance them, even provide a cadence; but we're all wired differently. I do respect mechanical switches and their appeal.

Regarding touch typing: I'm sorta a touch n' glance typist. I do look at the board for some symbols. I think backlighting just decreases the time it takes to adjust focus when glancing down, so can be good for your eyes; or for quickly finding a seldom used function key, or for gamers using custom assigned keys, or whatever. If your job heavily involves data entry, you're obligated to train typing skills. If like most people your keyboard is a tool for personal productivity and entertainment, you're obligated to train nothing and it's the manufacturer who is obligated to train their keyboard design skills to suit you, if they want to sell their product. Enter: backlighting.
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I just picked up a Cherry Black board. I don't see how anyone can type with those switches. And it has an even heavier Cherry Grey space bar. It's almost painful for me to type on that keyboard.

I know Model M buckling springs supposedly require just as much force, but the feel is more crisp and precise in my opinion.

skc
Hrm, I'm actually enjoying my 2 Cherry Black KBs. I daily the drive the Filco Black as far as KBs go ( I primarily game though ). I do enjoy typing on this though, I was going to pickup a White Otaku Tactile Click, but with my father going to China this month, I'm going to probably pick up that Cherry Red or Brown KB ( maybe both ) instead. Plus, I've been spending monies on my new vid card and ssd setup.

I can understand the discomfort with typing with Cherry Blacks though, I grew more fond of them over time though.
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