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Originally Posted by Manyak View Post
Just to repeat what Phaedrus said, they claim they did internal testing and concluded that it's the driver.

Why stop using PS/2 though? It's still better in that it's faster, and that you don't have to take up a USB port for the keyboard. And it's also hot-swappable as long as there was a keyboard plugged into it when you first turned the PC on.
When you say "as long as there was a keyboard plugged into it when you first turned the PC on", do you mean the first time ever? Or, just every day?

I'm using the USB to PS/2 adapter, and I've noticed that I can unplug my keyboard and plug it back in and it will still work, but the repeat rate and the repeat delay are both reduced to what feels like the default settings. But I checked the setting in the keyboard control panel and it doesn't change (I have both maxed out to the fastest setting), so I guess I could call this "partially hot-swappable".

I learned this when I cleaned my Majestouch for the first time: I unplugged it while in Windows, cleaned it, plugged it back in and then I wondered why both the repeat rate and delay were slow. Of course, I eventually figured out that it was because I unplugged a PS/2 keyboard while in Windows. hehehe But I immediately flashed back to the days before USB when this would have meant that I'd have to reboot in order to be able to use the keyboard again, so I guess I really appreciate the difference!
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"as long as there was a keyboard plugged into it when you first turned the PC on"
= when you last turned it on. That is if you booted with it plugged in.
 
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"as long as there was a keyboard plugged into it when you first turned the PC on"
= when you last turned it on. That is if you booted with it plugged in.
Whoa, I just discovered something! Y'know how I said that if I unplug it and then plug it back in that both the Repeat Delay and Rate feel like they're reverted back to the default settings even though the keyboard control panel settings haven't changed? One thing I forgot to say was that only way I could get my preferred setting back was by rebooting. But not anymore!!! Check this out:
  1. Unplug the keyboard (of course, I'm referring to USB keyboards plugged into the PS/2 port).
  2. Plug it back in.
  3. Open the keyboard control panel.
  4. If your Repeat Delay is maxed out, then press the Up Arrow key, or the Right Arrow key.
  5. If it isn't maxed out, then just click on any of the current settings without changing them.
  6. The goal is to get the Apply button to activate.
  7. Now click OK or Apply.
Now your settings are reapplied and everything is awesome.
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I wonder, do membrane keyboards that are PS2 or can be used with a ps2 adapter have any kind of key rollover?
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I wonder, do membrane keyboards that are PS2 or can be used with a ps2 adapter have any kind of key rollover?
All keyboards have some form of Key-rollover. Otherwise you won't be able to do CTRL+ALT+Delete or any CTRL + Key actions (like CTRL + V)

The difference is the number of keys and where the key rollover is concentrated.

Some keyboards have concentration of key-rollover on the WSAD area, while others might have it in a different location.

NKRO (as you read in the guide) means any number of keys, anywhere on the board can be pressed at the same time and all will register.
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But can they have full NKRO?
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But can they have full NKRO?
I would assume so, yes. I don't know if anyone has made one, but to my knowledge, Key-rollover is controlled by the board, and not the switch type.
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I would assume so, yes. I don't know if anyone has made one, but to my knowledge, Key-rollover is controlled by the board, and not the switch type.
Well, I know it's not dictated by the switch type. But I'm asking the question to more or less point out that the keyboard must be designed to support full NKRO in order to have it. Unfortunately, it seems that it's more common for mechanical keyboards to support full NKRO than rubber dome boards.
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I would assume so, yes. I don't know if anyone has made one, but to my knowledge, Key-rollover is controlled by the board, and not the switch type.
You're right, but with membrane keyboards it's not easy. You can't really solder diodes onto a membrane sheet - the heat of the solder will melt the sheet easily. So the only two ways for them to do it is to either 1) make them resistive switches (Sidewinder X4 style), or run one separate circuit for each and every key on the board.
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