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Originally Posted by lmnop View Post
thank you.

the H stands for well I don't know but it always stands for Double Shot.

how much did you pay for it? these sell for $130+ brand new according to several sources in google.

Christine
awesome, I only shelled out $50.75 for it, Christine you are my new hero.


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this was what you were supposed to get, the seller neglected to mention it was in klingon. he should of posted the model number it's a 11908 not a 11900.

Christine
i don't think he knew, the box was unopened, thats the original seal

Edited by reedo - 4/21/10 at 6:39pm
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so anyone have any ideas on getting the touchpad working? (shoot sorry for the double post)
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oh well Karma will strike him down. you said you were only using it for gaming right? w, s, a, d, space, ctrl, shift. least you got a keyboard you can harvest some switches and keycaps from.

I can't remember the switch you were using before was it Alps? how do you like the Cherry MX Black Linear.

Christine
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Originally Posted by identitycrisis View Post
After missing out on the ABS M1 as my 1st mech. keyboard, I am craving one, but man they are expensive for some nice ones. My g15 has served me well, but with my now MUCH smaller desk, I cant use the keyboard tray with the keyboard and mouse, so I want to find something much smaller, maybe even something without the numpads or an ultra slim numpad or something.

from what I have read something with MX Blacks for gaming is ideal, but not so good for typing? and blue is more for both?
The only thing I can add is this: be sure to consider all of the popular switch types just in case your gut instinct steers you towards something else that you feel that you'd like even more. However, the Cherry MX Browns are definitely a safe and very smart choice for this.
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seconded. really. if i had just one belonging, i think my filco would win over a pair of shoes.
Y'know, it's funny: I almost said that the Majestouch Tactile Click NKRO is just about my most favorite possession out of everything I own - including my entire drum set (which I'm very passionate about).
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huge, huge improvement from my Razer Lycosa. every time i sit down at my computer i think of how wonderful it is to type with this keyboard.
Exactly. I upgraded from the Lycosa too, and I am finding that I'm constantly looking for excuses to type. If I had it my way, then I would probably be typing on this thing pretty much 24/7.

In other words: now that I have this keyboard, I get kind of excited when I have a post like this to type up. I mean, I have always enjoyed making these posts, but now that I have the Majestouch Tactile Click, I enjoy it for a whole new reason now and I enjoy it much more than ever.

I love everything about this keyboard, and there is absolutely nothing I would change about it.
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Need a Filco keyboard that's good for both gaming and typing. Go!
I think that almost any good keyboard with the Cherry MX Browns is a good choice for this.
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But what switches?
Following Tater Tot's answer to this, the reason it's called the Tactile Touch as opposed to the Tactile Click is because the Cherry MX Brown switch itself does not make any sound when a key is pressed. It is easiest to realize this when slowly pressing a single key without bottoming out that keycap against the body of the keyboard.

But the Cherry MX Blue makes a subtle and crisp click sound which is similar to the click of a retractable pen, but quieter. I think that the mechanics that create this click sound also cause the switch to require a little bit more force than the Cherry MX Browns. However, that's not to say that the Cherry MX Blues are stiff or anything. But they're noticeably different. In comparison to the Cherry MX Blues, the Cherry MX Browns lean towards being linear in even though there's still a tactile bump (a bit of resistance at the beginning of the keystroke). It's just that the tactile bump of the Cherry MX Blues is more pronounced and gives the keys a crisper, more precise feeling. But technically speaking, the Blues are much less suited for gaming than the Cherry MX Blacks and Browns. But this isn't to say that they're absolutely not an option (and some people even prefer the Blues over anything for gaming - it's always a matter of personal preference).
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Oh man, I was pressing keys for comparison on my old keyboard and to me it feels like GARBAGE now, the keys are bland feeling and they just feel like you are pushing the rubber down!
Yep! And this is why I openly say that I feel that all rubber dome switch boards are nothing more than extremely overpriced junk.
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Originally Posted by drjoey1500 View Post
I'm still a little skeptical about mechanical keyboards tbh. I think the main thing that attracts me to them is mod potential.
Another nice thing about mechanical keyboards is that they can last about 20 years or more as opposed to the 5-7 years (on average) of rubber dome switch boards.
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Sure, my old logitech was crap because the keys would stick sometimes, like if you tried to press them at an angle they wouldn't go down. But now I'm typing on this keyboard that sounds like a typewriter. For typing it's easy to see how they're better than rubber domes, but not for gaming. A few days ago I tried my friend's microsoft ergonomic keyboard (4000 I believe, rubber dome anyhow). It is really quiet, and doesn't have the same key-sticking problem my logitech had. Not only that, but it requires much less force to press the keys, so pressing a key repeatedly is really easy. Compared to a mechanical keyboard, the keys obviously felt very soft. I read lots of people complaining about mushy rubber dome keyboards on here, but I still don't see how that is bad for gaming. IMO it wasn't really mushy, the keys just felt soft, easy to press, and quiet.

Here's my reasoning. Most gamers bottom out the keys regardless of the switch type, so it doesn't really matter that mechanical keyboards actuate before being bottomed out. Other than that, as long as the rubber dome doesn't have a crappy inconsistent feel when the keys are pressed, I see very little reason to have a mechanical keyboard .
Once you find a switch type that you like the best, you'll be happier. But here are some reasons why mechanical keyboards are superior:
  • Much, much higher build quality on average.
  • Much longer lifespan: I think one rubber dome/contact area is rated for about 5 million keypresses before it either stops working, or becomes very worn out to the point where the key must be pressed harder in order to work (and sometimes it gets to the point where the key only works sometimes if it doesn't stop working completely). But a single mechanical switch can be rated for about 100,000,000 (a hundred million) key presses and even continue going a little while after that. Not only that, but the feel of the switch remains consistent throughout its entire life - it doesn't degrade or slowly begin to feel mushy and worn out (well, it does a little bit, but hardly enough to notice).
  • No rubber dome switch keyboard has full NKRO (or "full Anti-Ghosting across the entire keyboard", as some manufacturers might say).
  • With the right switches, a mechanical keyboard can be your most favorite possession. You could end up wanting to type on or use the keyboard 24/7 without stopping just because it's such a pleasure.
  • Mechanical keyboards are heavier and don't move around on the desk with normal daily use like most rubber dome keyboards do. (I'm talking just millimeters of movement here.)
  • When a single key on a rubber dome keyboard stops working, that's it: it's done. But with a mechanical keyboard, you can replace the switch with one you never use (like the switch for the Scroll Lock key).
  • So continuing from the previous point: it's awesome that mechanical keyboards have an individual, independent switch for each key as opposed to one big rubber sheet with molded domes for all of the keys. In other words: that's at least 104 individual switches compared to just 1.
  • And again, mechanical keyboards last significantly longer than rubber dome switch boards.
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Originally Posted by drjoey1500 View Post
I'll be blunt. The clacky noise is a huge turn off for me. In order to get the keys not to bottom out, I have to type impractically slowly and carefully. I haven't checked recently, but when I first got my at101w, my typing speed couldn't match my typing speed on my thinkpad (better than my logitech though).
The Thinkpad is indeed a pleasure to type on, however what you're experiencing with the AT101W is absolutely normal. I am sorry that somebody didn't tell you beforehand so that you could have expected this.

You see, I have to do the same thing on my Majestouch Tactile Click in order to not bottom out: I have to practice typing painfully slowly in order to learn how to type without bottoming out. This is because new "muscle memory" must be created which I can eventually use automatically to my advantage to never bottom out thereby greatly improving my typing and usage experience.

In other words, I had to do the same thing: I had to type very slowly and very carefully too. I still do it once in a while since I've only had this keyboard for a month and a half, and it's absolutely worth it. Not only does it reduce the noise, but it's way easier to type and I think that it really highlights one of the reasons why mechanical keyboards are superior.
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Forgive me for my heresy, but this still doesn't quite make sense. Am I just using the wrong kind of switches? There's no way I'm spending 200+ on a Topre board, keyboards are just too far down on my list of priorities to put that much money into one.

Don't get me wrong, I haven't given up on them yet. I'm just thinking through my options.

Maybe it's time to switch back to my linear keyboard .
I agree that it does sound like the AT101W is just not a good match for you. So, I think that you're discovering what you like and don't like and you're making it easier to find your favorite type of mechanical switch. Or, maybe I should say that you have already made it easier.
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Damn 3 days left on this NIB 84key Model M and it's at $200. Last one I saw (from the same seller too) went for $211.
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Damn 3 days left on this NIB 84key Model M and it's at $200. Last one I saw (from the same seller too) went for $211.
Oh yeah, that's always been their price. Even the used ones go for over $100.
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After missing out on the ABS M1 as my 1st mech. keyboard, I am craving one, but man they are expensive for some nice ones. My g15 has served me well, but with my now MUCH smaller desk, I cant use the keyboard tray with the keyboard and mouse, so I want to find something much smaller, maybe even something without the numpads or an ultra slim numpad or something.

from what I have read something with MX Blacks for gaming is ideal, but not so good for typing? and blue is more for both?
You know, I thought that the keyboard was gonna take up as much room as my dell one did, and I am on a slide out tray, and now that I have this I can tell you that you will actually have some more space than you already have. I can actually see half of my mousepad LOL
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I was pleased to discover that I own a relatively old mechanical keyboard:

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I removed the case because it had a useless empty space above the actual keyboard: http://img714.imageshack.us/i/img0155hm.jpg/

Would you recommend or describe anything for it?
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A Dell AT101W, fairly common, not bad. Some people hate them, some love them. The switches are original "complicated" black Alps switches. If you like, that means they're compatible with the custom keycaps we're setting up to order (look in sig).
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A Dell AT101W, fairly common, not bad. Some people hate them, some love them. The switches are original "complicated" black Alps switches. If you like, that means they're compatible with the custom keycaps we're setting up to order (look in sig).
Thank you very much, I will crash test this thing. I am most likely planning to replace the whole key layout with black keys, and possibly get a different cover for it, if such an operation is possible.

Or perhaps such actions are too pricy, starting with smaller key amounts could be a better idea (such as editing the WASD and the ESC)
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