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pay for shipping?
The Model M weighs 5 pounds, so its not exactly cheap shipping...
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My "J" key is starting to go, i accidentally dropped some brown sugar between the keys. What can be said about the cherry brand keyboards? I noticed allot of them come with magnetic strip card readers. Are they any good? Aren't they the company that started the cherry key switches? I noticed that they are pretty cheap on ebay, you can get two or 14 dollars.
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My "J" key is starting to go, i accidentally dropped some brown sugar between the keys. What can be said about the cherry brand keyboards? I noticed allot of them come with magnetic strip card readers. Are they any good? Aren't they the company that started the cherry key switches? I noticed that they are pretty cheap on ebay, you can get two or 14 dollars.
Well, just because its a Cherry keyboard doesn't mean its a good keyboard. Yes, they make the Cherry keyswitches.
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You people are convincing.

I have always used my rubber domes, and have never learned to touch type. I am currently using a Saitek.

I want a quiet keyboard, so the buckling spring is out, and so are Cherry Blues. I am having difficulty choosing between Blacks and Browns.

These are the [Filcos] I am looking at:

Brown
Brown NKRO

Black
Black NKRO

Now, firstly, I understand what the NKRO option offers, but how many keys are supported on the non-NKRO boards? (I find it interesting that these are USB native, can someone explain why they are not PS/2 native?)

Next, which switch is right for me? I am a heavy gamer, and use my keyboard for typing a good bit, and I have recently started to learn how to touch-type. My instincts tell me to get the Brown model simply to get a well rounded option. The blacks seem too specialized, and it has been pointed put that the blacks make typing less pleasing. However, will it be that bad coming from a rubber dome?

Advise me, please.
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You people are convincing.

I have always used my rubber domes, and have never learned to touch type. I am currently using a Saitek.

I want a quiet keyboard, so the buckling spring is out, and so are Cherry Blues. I am having difficulty choosing between Blacks and Browns.

These are the [Filcos] I am looking at:

Brown
Brown NKRO

Black
Black NKRO

Now, firstly, I understand what the NKRO option offers, but how many keys are supported on the non-NKRO boards? (I find it interesting that these are USB native, can someone explain why they are not PS/2 native?)

Next, which switch is right for me? I am a heavy gamer, and use my keyboard for typing a good bit, and I have recently started to learn how to touch-type. My instincts tell me to get the Brown model simply to get a well rounded option. The blacks seem too specialized, and it has been pointed put that the blacks make typing less pleasing. However, will it be that bad coming from a rubber dome?

Advise me, please.
Well, other than the bottoming out you are bound to do at first, I'd say the brown switches are the best option for you. Or, if you can find them, white Cherry switches, as these aren't clicky, but are tactile, and have more resistance than the brown switches. The only keyboard I know of that has the white switches is the rather expensive Deck.

http://www.deckkeyboards.com/product...products_id=96

This keyboard has a slight incidental click, but it is not nearly as pronounced as on the Cherry blue or buckling springs keyboards.

I do not recommend the black Cherry switches, as they are probably just about as bad, or worse, than your existing rubber dome keyboard.

As far as N-key rollover, I've never had an issue, as most of the keys you use for gaming are separate from the rest of the main letter keys, and don't tend to have the rollover problems.
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ill go and look for you tomorrow

maybe ill do some freebie stuff with them. pay for shipping?
You bet I'll pay for shipping, that would be awesome



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My "J" key is starting to go, i accidentally dropped some brown sugar between the keys. What can be said about the cherry brand keyboards? I noticed allot of them come with magnetic strip card readers. Are they any good? Aren't they the company that started the cherry key switches? I noticed that they are pretty cheap on ebay, you can get two or 14 dollars.
In general, they are great. The G80 series are all MX switches, so look through those (just watch out for the type you want).

The only thing that really varies between similar boards is the type of printing used for the lettering. Some of them use dot matrix Laser printing (ugly as hell!), some use silk screening (looks nice but wears out), some use dye sublimination (lasts, a little fuzzy around the edges), and some use double-shot molding (perfection).

Here's a guide to Cherry model numbers. Their numbering system is a bit confusing, but even if you can't figure out what models to search for at least you'll be able to identify the model you're looking at.

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You people are convincing.

I have always used my rubber domes, and have never learned to touch type. I am currently using a Saitek.

I want a quiet keyboard, so the buckling spring is out, and so are Cherry Blues. I am having difficulty choosing between Blacks and Browns.

These are the [Filcos] I am looking at:

Brown
Brown NKRO

Black
Black NKRO

Now, firstly, I understand what the NKRO option offers, but how many keys are supported on the non-NKRO boards? (I find it interesting that these are USB native, can someone explain why they are not PS/2 native?)

Next, which switch is right for me? I am a heavy gamer, and use my keyboard for typing a good bit, and I have recently started to learn how to touch-type. My instincts tell me to get the Brown model simply to get a well rounded option. The blacks seem too specialized, and it has been pointed put that the blacks make typing less pleasing. However, will it be that bad coming from a rubber dome?

Advise me, please.
There's no real number to give you for non-NKRO boards. Depending on the combination of keys you press it could be anywhere from 2 to 20. I don't think you'll have any trouble with the WASD because even the standard IBM matrix can handle it, but I'd still say that the few extra bucks is worth it just to be sure that it works no matter what game you're playing. After all, the keyboard will last practically forever, so you never know what combination you might run in to.

But I agree with timw, you're probably best off going with Cherry Browns or Whites. The thing is, since you're learning to touch type right now, starting off with a light switch like the Browns will be a big help, since you aren't already in the habit of pounding on the keys (and lighter typing = faster with less fatigue). But if you start on a stiffer switch, or even rubber domes, you'll start off with needing the extra force and it'll be hard to loosen up later.

But if you think you'd like the keys stiffer for gaming (since you'll be pounding the keys and bottoming out anyway and the stiffer switch absorbs some of that), then Cherry Whites are your best bet. But that's the only difference between the two switches and since you've got a chance to start typing light I think you should go for that, not the Whites.
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hey manyak, he didnt have any model m's without the number pad. sorry.

but i'd like to thank you for this thread, my friend traded me his 22inch monitor for my g15 and i bought the model m

its the best thing ever.

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Well, my Filco just got here about an hour ago, and thus far I really like it. I'm bottoming out a lot, of course, but that will change as I adjust to the keyboard.

Main differences I've noticed thus far:

-Keyboard is way more solid/stable than my MS Natural 4000. Keys always register, the feedback is nice, and the keys don't feel unstable/mushy like the old board.

-The board itself is WAY more compact than I thought it would be; it's going to take some getting used to the new layout, after years of the natural.

-I got the Cherry Brown switches, and I was initially worried I would regret it, wanting the Blues instead. I'm pleased to say that I'm very satisfied with these switches. The tactile feedback is there, and it still makes just enough noise to satisfy me without being ridiculously overbearing.

The only NEGATIVE thing I can comment on thus far, is that the cord is rather short. I can see needing a USB extension at some point if I get a new desk or rearrange my office any.

Other than that, it's an amazing feeling keyboard.. Looks nice, it's simple and solid; just a quality product all-around. It just feels...I dunno...dependable?
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Well, my Filco just got here about an hour ago, and thus far I really like it. I'm bottoming out a lot, of course, but that will change as I adjust to the keyboard.

Main differences I've noticed thus far:

-Keyboard is way more solid/stable than my MS Natural 4000. Keys always register, the feedback is nice, and the keys don't feel unstable/mushy like the old board.
This is one of the primary advantages to mechanical keyboards Even thought the Model M's can be slightly inconsistent, they still work. Springs are a lot nicer to type on than domes, too! (Mechanical switches generally use leaf springs, except for the buckling springs)

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-I got the Cherry Brown switches, and I was initially worried I would regret it, wanting the Blues instead. I'm pleased to say that I'm very satisfied with these switches. The tactile feedback is there, and it still makes just enough noise to satisfy me without being ridiculously overbearing.
I've got a board with the blue switches, and it doesn't seem noisy to me, so maybe you just really notice the difference in sound? (Then again I heard the Filco with the blue switches is noisier than my iOne Scorpius M10.)

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Other than that, it's an amazing feeling keyboard.. Looks nice, it's simple and solid; just a quality product all-around. It just feels...I dunno...dependable?
It should be I have four different mechanical boards, and only one of them is new. These keyboards last, and last well.
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Not THAT sensitive to noise, considering I've got this machine sitting here with 12 case fans in it, haha. But still, it produces more noise than my old keyboard. Not in a bad way; it's kind've pleasant, and I presume it will fade out a bit more once I stop bottoming out so bad.

Other things:

I kind've wish I'd ordered the wrist rest with it when I ordered it. It was hard to justify 40 bucks for a wrist pad from them though, haha.

I really appreciate the fact that it's just a KEYBOARD. No multimedia keys that barely work, no drivers to install. It just works. That's really nice.
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